I think lady Whent was also a Whent. Not sure if she was related to Cat, I just remember her thinking lady Whent was the last of her line on her way back from Storm's End
“Never forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armour yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you.” ― George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones
Post by regular jon umber on Aug 18, 2015 6:01:43 GMT
Catelyn's mother is Minisa Whent. There doesn't seem to be an acknowledged link to 'Lady Whent' (Shella) so I guess you can just say ' cousin', that should cover it.
Catelyn's mother is Minisa Whent. There doesn't seem to be an acknowledged link to 'Lady Whent' (Shella) so I guess you can just say ' cousin', that should cover it.
Weird Catelyn wouldn't say anything, but good catch, RJU & @serduncan, I can barely keep track of the main characters. So Hoster marrying a Whent makes sense, since he was lord of the Trident and all.
“Never forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armour yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you.” ― George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones
Post by whitewolfstark on Aug 19, 2015 1:04:22 GMT
The best I can make out of the family line is that Minisa was either Shella's sister or Ser Oswell & Ser Walter's sister. Either from the main branch or the cadet branch.
Shella in either case inherited Harrenhal from her father and to strengthen the Whent family name, married her cousin, Walter Whent. She remained as "Lady Whent" as the Whent in charge of Harrenhal, though I'm sure she shared her duties with Walter to some degree. Minisa being the younger sister to Shella would make the most sense here (not only when Robb and Catelyn make the claim on Harrenhal in ASOS, but also that Lord Tully would try and bind his heir to the best marriage possible in that family line). So I'm going with Minisa was Shella's younger sister. Shella did her duty and married cousin Walter, Oswell joined the Kingsguard to make sure that the Whent family name wouldn't be further diluted with potential rival challenges to his nephews and nieces (and likely to do something with his life beyond being a knight in service to his brother & cousin Shella), and Minisa did her duty to tie the Whents to the Tullys, their liege lord.
Shella and Walter have a lot of children, four sons and a fair daughter. All in all, things are looking good for the Whent family in the Year of the False Spring of 281... sure Minisa died a few years ago, but the next Lord Tully (aka Edmure) will be half Whent and keep their interests in mind, but besides that, the Whents are doing rather well, all things considered.
And then Robert's Rebellion happens and all of Shella's family dies out. Her husbands and sons die, her daughter dies, and even Oswell dies, leaving her alone in a castle too large to maintain, with Shella past her prime child-bearing years and knowing that after she dies that House Whent is done and absorbed into the Tullys for likely some second son of Edmure being the only hope for House Whent to continue.
If anything when Arya arrives at Harrenhal in ACOK, it's no wonder the staff is the way it is as likely Lady Shella has been in a serious state of depression that she stopped caring about her staff and their conditions, the state of decay of Harrenhal, or even pride in herself and her family name--for it was just going to die out with her anyway. All that careful planning, she'd done everything right and because of a war, it all came for naught. She likely became a bit of a bitter and woeful recluse in her last years, dying as she ran away to avoid capture.
That's at least my head canon interpretation of Lady Shella and House Whent based on what little we know.
The best I can make out of the family line is that Minisa was either Shella's sister or Ser Oswell & Ser Walter's sister. Either from the main branch or the cadet branch.
Shella in either case inherited Harrenhal from her father and to strengthen the Whent family name, married her cousin, Walter Whent. She remained as "Lady Whent" as the Whent in charge of Harrenhal, though I'm sure she shared her duties with Walter to some degree. Minisa being the younger sister to Shella would make the most sense here (not only when Robb and Catelyn make the claim on Harrenhal in ASOS, but also that Lord Tully would try and bind his heir to the best marriage possible in that family line). So I'm going with Minisa was Shella's younger sister. Shella did her duty and married cousin Walter, Oswell joined the Kingsguard to make sure that the Whent family name wouldn't be further diluted with potential rival challenges to his nephews and nieces (and likely to do something with his life beyond being a knight in service to his brother & cousin Shella), and Minisa did her duty to tie the Whents to the Tullys, their liege lord.
Shella and Walter have a lot of children, four sons and a fair daughter. All in all, things are looking good for the Whent family in the Year of the False Spring of 281... sure Minisa died a few years ago, but the next Lord Tully (aka Edmure) will be half Whent and keep their interests in mind, but besides that, the Whents are doing rather well, all things considered.
And then Robert's Rebellion happens and all of Shella's family dies out. Her husbands and sons die, her daughter dies, and even Oswell dies, leaving her alone in a castle too large to maintain, with Shella past her prime child-bearing years and knowing that after she dies that House Whent is done and absorbed into the Tullys for likely some second son of Edmure being the only hope for House Whent to continue.
If anything when Arya arrives at Harrenhal in ACOK, it's no wonder the staff is the way it is as likely Lady Shella has been in a serious state of depression that she stopped caring about her staff and their conditions, the state of decay of Harrenhal, or even pride in herself and her family name--for it was just going to die out with her anyway. All that careful planning, she'd done everything right and because of a war, it all came for naught. She likely became a bit of a bitter and woeful recluse in her last years, dying as she ran away to avoid capture.
That's at least my head canon interpretation of Lady Shella and House Whent based on what little we know.
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"And the triarch Belicho defeated the great hawk from the sea despite his sails not being fully inflated"
The best I can make out of the family line is that Minisa was either Shella's sister or Ser Oswell & Ser Walter's sister. Either from the main branch or the cadet branch.
Shella in either case inherited Harrenhal from her father and to strengthen the Whent family name, married her cousin, Walter Whent. She remained as "Lady Whent" as the Whent in charge of Harrenhal, though I'm sure she shared her duties with Walter to some degree. Minisa being the younger sister to Shella would make the most sense here (not only when Robb and Catelyn make the claim on Harrenhal in ASOS, but also that Lord Tully would try and bind his heir to the best marriage possible in that family line). So I'm going with Minisa was Shella's younger sister. Shella did her duty and married cousin Walter, Oswell joined the Kingsguard to make sure that the Whent family name wouldn't be further diluted with potential rival challenges to his nephews and nieces (and likely to do something with his life beyond being a knight in service to his brother & cousin Shella), and Minisa did her duty to tie the Whents to the Tullys, their liege lord.
Shella and Walter have a lot of children, four sons and a fair daughter. All in all, things are looking good for the Whent family in the Year of the False Spring of 281... sure Minisa died a few years ago, but the next Lord Tully (aka Edmure) will be half Whent and keep their interests in mind, but besides that, the Whents are doing rather well, all things considered.
And then Robert's Rebellion happens and all of Shella's family dies out. Her husbands and sons die, her daughter dies, and even Oswell dies, leaving her alone in a castle too large to maintain, with Shella past her prime child-bearing years and knowing that after she dies that House Whent is done and absorbed into the Tullys for likely some second son of Edmure being the only hope for House Whent to continue.
If anything when Arya arrives at Harrenhal in ACOK, it's no wonder the staff is the way it is as likely Lady Shella has been in a serious state of depression that she stopped caring about her staff and their conditions, the state of decay of Harrenhal, or even pride in herself and her family name--for it was just going to die out with her anyway. All that careful planning, she'd done everything right and because of a war, it all came for naught. She likely became a bit of a bitter and woeful recluse in her last years, dying as she ran away to avoid capture.
That's at least my head canon interpretation of Lady Shella and House Whent based on what little we know.
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Huh?
Anyway about Lady Whent:
We know that Shella was the one who inherited Harrenhal from ACOK:
You know old Ben Blackthumb? He came here as a boy. Smithed for Lady Whent and her father before her and his father before him, and even for Lord Lothston who held Harrenhal before the Whents.
--ARYA IX
We know from an SSM that Ser Oswell was named as the Uncle of the Fair Maid of Harrenhal at the Tourney of 281, and brother to "Walter Whent":
Lady Shella Whent was the mother of the "fair maid" at the Harrenhal tournament. Ser Oswell Whent would have been her husband's brother, and therefore uncle to the "fair maid.
Ergot, the only way for both these things to be true is if Shella is a Whent from the main branch, and married her cousin Walter from the cadet branch to keep Harrenhal in the Whent family name.
We don't know Minisa's tie to which branch she was from, nor Wynafrei Whent (married a Frey) or Sarya Whent (married Lord Walter Frey, but bore him no children) either. So the rest of the information, as I noted was "head canon" and speculation based on what little facts we know, filling in the human story of Lady Shella Whent to tie all the facts together.
“Never forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armour yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you.” ― George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones
The best part of your post was how you just went, "anyway, about Lady Whent" like some weird kid made some random comment while you were talking. :::
“Never forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armour yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you.” ― George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones
This fact has fallen out of my head and I can't find it--does anyone remember whether or not Rhaegar was wearing his helm when he gave Lya the stupid rose crown? He took it off, right? The helm, not the rose crown--am now imagining Rhaegar crowning himself while JonCon applauds.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
the day belonged to Rhaegar Targaryen. The crown prince wore the armor he would die in: gleaming black plate with the three-headed dragon of his House wrought in rubies on the breast. A plume of scarlet silk streamed behind him when he rode, and it seemed no lance could touch him. Brandon fell to him, and Bronze Yohn Royce, and even the splendid Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning. Robert had been jesting with Jon and old Lord Hunter as the prince circled the field after unhorsing Ser Barristan in the final tilt to claim the champion's crown. Ned remembered the moment when all the smiles died, when Prince Rhaegar Targaryen urged his horse past his own wife, the Dornish princess Elia Martell, to lay the queen of beauty's laurel in Lyanna's lap. He could see it still: a crown of winter roses, blue as frost.
Nice catch, it may well not have been Rhaegar at all
“Never forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armour yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you.” ― George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones
the day belonged to Rhaegar Targaryen. The crown prince wore the armor he would die in: gleaming black plate with the three-headed dragon of his House wrought in rubies on the breast. A plume of scarlet silk streamed behind him when he rode, and it seemed no lance could touch him. Brandon fell to him, and Bronze Yohn Royce, and even the splendid Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning. Robert had been jesting with Jon and old Lord Hunter as the prince circled the field after unhorsing Ser Barristan in the final tilt to claim the champion's crown. Ned remembered the moment when all the smiles died, when Prince Rhaegar Targaryen urged his horse past his own wife, the Dornish princess Elia Martell, to lay the queen of beauty's laurel in Lyanna's lap. He could see it still: a crown of winter roses, blue as frost.
Nice catch, it may well not have been Rhaegar at all
Thanks for the quote!!
For some reason, I keep thinking he took his helm of in triumph. Maybe took a lap of victory before presenting the crown. Might be I'm overly influenced by the pictures produced of the scene.
But if he kept the helm on--or if Arthur's hair is a fair as Edric's--this could have implications. . .
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.