Post by scottie on Feb 13, 2018 17:19:35 GMT
Looking at the real world definitions of character names in ASOIAF, i decided to look at Azor Ahai to see if it
could shed some light on who (or what) it could be. I found some interesting coincidences in the Hebrew
meaning of the words which of course led to wild speculation wrapped in tinfoil.
Azor -
Azor (also Azur) is a small town (local council) in the Tel Aviv District of Israel, on the old Jaffa-Jerusalem road
southeast of Tel Aviv.
Azor was named for the ancient city of Azur (lit. mighty, heroic), preserved in the name of the Arab village of
Yazur. The council of the new village named it Mishmar HaShiv'a meaning 'Guardian of the Seven' (nice
coincidence)in honour of seven Jewish soldiers killed near there in 1948, but the government committee in
charge of assigning names forced them to change it to Azor on the grounds that preserving Biblical names
was more important. Meron Benvenisti (2002). Sacred Landscape. University of California Press. pp. 32–33.
Ahai-
i couldnt find a real world meaning of this word but it did lead me to the hebrew word Chai that led to some
more coincidences.
The most common spelling in Latin script is "Chai", but the word is occasionally also spelled "Hai". The usual modern pronunciation of this word is [χai̯], while a transcription of the Biblical and Mishnaic pronunciation would have likely been [ħai̯] (with a pharyngeal consonant).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chai_(symbol)
The word "chai' translated from Hebrew to English means "life." Within the Jewish faith, the word "chai" possesses both numerical and symbolic meaning. The Hebrew word consists of two letters in the alphabet: Chet (ח) and Yud (י). Together these letters form "chai" which signifies life and represents being alive. The Numerical Significance of Chai In Judaism, the word "chai" is numerically significant and the number 18 is universally synonymous with this word. Numerically, the words consists of the eighth and tenth letters of the Hebrew alphabet Chet (ח) and Yud (י), adding up to eighteen the number 18, which is also the word "Chai". According to Jewish traditions and scriptures there are prayers, including the Amidah, commonly referred to as “Shmoneh Esreh” (which translates to “the 18”) and refers to the eighteen individual prayers. www.shiva.com/learning-center/commemorate/chai/
18 individual prayers of a mighty life.....
1. Night gathers and now my watch begins.
2. It shall not end untill my death
3. I shall take no wife
4. Hold no lands
5. Father no children
6. i shall wear no crowns
7. win no glory
8. I shall live
9. and die at my post
10. I am the sword in the darkness
11. I am the watcher on the walls
12. I am the fire that burns against the cold
13. the light that brings the dawn
14. the horn that wakes the sleepers
15. the shield that guards the realms of men
16. I pledge my life
17. and honour to the nights Watch
18. for this night and all the nights to come
So together Azor (A)Hai translates to Mighty or Heroic Life, which the Night's Watch once was...
Ned Stark has a healthy respect for the order and tries to draw the King's attention to it
Symbolically it means mighty or heroic 18.The Wall itself could be described as Mighty 18
awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Wall#Castles
Westwatch-by-the-Bridge
The Shadow Tower, commanded by Ser Denys Mallister
Sentinel Stand
Greyguard
Stonedoor
Hoarfrost Hill
Icemark
The Nightfort abandoned by the Night's Watch
Deep Lake
Queensgate
Castle Black, commanded by the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch
Oakenshield
Woodswatch-by-the-Pool
Sable Hall
Rimegate
Long Barrow
The Torches
Greenguard
Eastwatch-by-the-Sea, commanded by Cotter Pyke
When the Nightfort was still occupied, there were eighteen castles at the Wall. When Deep Lake was built the Nightfort was abandoned but there are still nineteen castles. First wrinkle in the theory? Maybe but...
Looking at the Shemoneh Esrei (meaning eighteen) prayers www.hebrew4christians.com/Prayers/Daily_Prayers/Shemoneh_Esrei/shemoneh_esrei.html
i found they are broken into three parts.
1.Praise- the first three blessings
2.Petitions- thirteen blessings
3.Thanks- the last three blessings
This adds up to nineteen not eighteen. The reason for this was that an additional "blessing was added later but the name Shemoneh Esrei was retained.
There may be 19 castles but Jon sees it as his duty to garrison 18 of them after he cedes the Nightfort to Stannis.
When the Wall was built, eighteen castles spanned its length. The Watch has never occupied all eighteen at
once,which means the Night's Watch has never been at its full strength. As Lord Commander, Jon means to
man all eighteen castles for the first time.
The Knight's Watch
Swearing the Night's Watch vow is swearing to live a Mighty or Heroic Life, like that of a Knight
Knighthood seems to be an Andal tradition...
...but some of the books and scrolls at the Wall seem to disagree...
The Nights Watch could be described as the Knights Watch. When a man says his vows and his watch begins,it
is the same as the Vigil a southern squire will stand to earn his spurs except the Black brothers vigil never
ends. The men of the Nights Watch will always be squires.
The word Squire comes from the french word Esquire , meaning shield bearer.
"The shield that guards the realms of men"
There is a feast hall at Castle Black called the ShieldHall. A knight who took the Black would hang his shield on
the wall and take up a plain black shield for his watch.
To me this is symbolic of a Knight giving up his Knighthood to begin his watch/vigil at the Wall. When he died
in service to the Nights Watch,becoming a true Knight,the shield would be taken down and intombed with
him or burned with him on his pyre.
The Sword of Heroes
Darkness lay over the world and a hero, Azor Ahai, was chosen to fight against it. To fight the darkness, Azor
Ahai needed to forge a hero's sword. He labored for thirty days and thirty nights until it was done. However,
when he went to temper it in water, the sword broke.
Water- Birth.
Thee highborn of the north have traditionally considered it an honor to serve on the Wall. Many younger sons
of northern houses, low in the line of succession, gladly took the black. Shields of nobles from the Hundred
Kingdoms of Westeros were proudly displayed in the Shieldhall at Castle Black. Little by little, the Night's
Watch forgot that its main mission was not the fight against the wildlings, but against the Others. (awoiaf)
In the Watch's history, Noble birth was not a guarantee of honour...
Rodrik Flint, thought to make himself King-beyond-the-Wall.
Tristan Mudd, Mad Marq Rankenfell, and Robin Hill; Three Lords Commander who nearly destroyed the Watch
when they forgot their vows in favor of their pride and ambition.
Runcel Hightower, tried to make the position of Lord Commander hereditary and pass the position to his son.
nor does it guarentee competance...
Sleepy Jack Musgood, Lord Commander of the Night's Watch when Raymun Redbeard crossed the Wall and
was late for the Battle at Long Lake.
He was not one to give up easily, so he started over. The second time he took fifty days and fifty nights to
make the sword, even better than the first. To temper it this time, he captured a lion and drove the sword
into its heart, but once more the steel shattered.
The Heart of a Lion- Bravery.
Bravery is obviously needed at the Wall, but can someone be too brave?
When Sam was lobbying for Jon to become Lord Commander, Two candidates described what they think it
takes to lead the Night's Watch and the issue of Birth and Bravery...
Cotter Pyke and Sam discuss Ser Denys Mallister
A Storm of Swords- Samwell V
Ser Denys Mallister and Sam discuss Cotter Pyke
A Storm of Swords - Samwell V
The third time, with a heavy heart, for he knew before hand what he must do to finish the blade, he worked
for a hundred days and nights until it was finished. This time, he called for his wife, Nissa Nissa, and asked her
to bare her breast.
Nissa Nissa- Sacrifice
www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Nissa
The Hebrew meaning of the name Nissa is- To test. The heart of Nissa Nissa tempers Lightbringer.
It's Sacrifice that tempers the sword.
The Nights Watch is a sacrifice. The vow means giving up everything. No wife,no children, no titles, no glory. You serve for life. Your life and your honour belong to the Watch.
Jon pledged his life and his honour to the Night's watch for all the night's to come. When Qhorin ordered Jon
to go over to the Wildlings, he knew it would mean his death. Qhorin gave up his life in defence of the realm
just as he swore to do.
When Jon killed Qhorin and went over to the Wildlings, he knew he would be known as an oathbreaker.
Jon sacrificed his Honour in defence of the realm, just as he swore to. When he let the Wildlings through the
Wall he was including them in the realms of men that he swore to shield. When he was murdered for this he
sacrificed himself, just as he swore to. If Jon is resurrected he will be the only "living" person to do this. His
watch/vigil will have ended.
Im not saying Jon will level up into some sort of superhero, but i do think people will see him as something
special.
People will be inspired by him and people will follow him just like the Dothraki followed Daenerys when she
walked out of Khal Drogo's funeral pyre.
He will command the men defending the wall,Brothers and Free Folk alike,and wield them like a sword,maybe even a Sword of Heroes.
I see Azor Ahai as an Order similar to(if not the the true) Knighthood. All men, highborn or lowborn,Bastard or Lord can be forged into Lightbringer. All they have to do is be willing to sacrifice everything they have including their honour and their life in defense of the Realms of Men, and seek no glory for it.
could shed some light on who (or what) it could be. I found some interesting coincidences in the Hebrew
meaning of the words which of course led to wild speculation wrapped in tinfoil.
Azor -
Azor (also Azur) is a small town (local council) in the Tel Aviv District of Israel, on the old Jaffa-Jerusalem road
southeast of Tel Aviv.
Azor was named for the ancient city of Azur (lit. mighty, heroic), preserved in the name of the Arab village of
Yazur. The council of the new village named it Mishmar HaShiv'a meaning 'Guardian of the Seven' (nice
coincidence)in honour of seven Jewish soldiers killed near there in 1948, but the government committee in
charge of assigning names forced them to change it to Azor on the grounds that preserving Biblical names
was more important. Meron Benvenisti (2002). Sacred Landscape. University of California Press. pp. 32–33.
Ahai-
i couldnt find a real world meaning of this word but it did lead me to the hebrew word Chai that led to some
more coincidences.
The most common spelling in Latin script is "Chai", but the word is occasionally also spelled "Hai". The usual modern pronunciation of this word is [χai̯], while a transcription of the Biblical and Mishnaic pronunciation would have likely been [ħai̯] (with a pharyngeal consonant).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chai_(symbol)
The word "chai' translated from Hebrew to English means "life." Within the Jewish faith, the word "chai" possesses both numerical and symbolic meaning. The Hebrew word consists of two letters in the alphabet: Chet (ח) and Yud (י). Together these letters form "chai" which signifies life and represents being alive. The Numerical Significance of Chai In Judaism, the word "chai" is numerically significant and the number 18 is universally synonymous with this word. Numerically, the words consists of the eighth and tenth letters of the Hebrew alphabet Chet (ח) and Yud (י), adding up to eighteen the number 18, which is also the word "Chai". According to Jewish traditions and scriptures there are prayers, including the Amidah, commonly referred to as “Shmoneh Esreh” (which translates to “the 18”) and refers to the eighteen individual prayers. www.shiva.com/learning-center/commemorate/chai/
18 individual prayers of a mighty life.....
1. Night gathers and now my watch begins.
2. It shall not end untill my death
3. I shall take no wife
4. Hold no lands
5. Father no children
6. i shall wear no crowns
7. win no glory
8. I shall live
9. and die at my post
10. I am the sword in the darkness
11. I am the watcher on the walls
12. I am the fire that burns against the cold
13. the light that brings the dawn
14. the horn that wakes the sleepers
15. the shield that guards the realms of men
16. I pledge my life
17. and honour to the nights Watch
18. for this night and all the nights to come
There is a deep connection drawn upon the word 'chai', its meaning 'life' and the numerical value of the letters that comprise this word. The Symbolic Meaning of Chai Traditionally, the Jewish religion, similar to many other religions and cultures, place an emphasis on the significance of life. As such, the literal translation of the word "chai' to 'life is meaningful on its face. In addition, individuals who observe Judaism or identify with the religion are generally guided by basic principles which include characteristics such as kindness, thoughtfulness, selflessness and remaining good natured, both morally and ethically during life on Earth. In addition to the number 18 or numerical significance, the "Chai" is a recognizable symbol commonly worn on necklaces and engraved on rings.
www.shiva.com/learning-center/commemorate/chai/
www.shiva.com/learning-center/commemorate/chai/
"There is great honor in service on the Wall, my lord." Luwin AGOT Catelyn II
Ned Stark has a healthy respect for the order and tries to draw the King's attention to it
"And there is the Wall. You need to see it, Your Grace, to walk along its battlements and talk to those who
man it. The Night's Watch is a shadow of what it once was. Benjen says—" AGOT Eddard I
man it. The Night's Watch is a shadow of what it once was. Benjen says—" AGOT Eddard I
awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Wall#Castles
Westwatch-by-the-Bridge
The Shadow Tower, commanded by Ser Denys Mallister
Sentinel Stand
Greyguard
Stonedoor
Hoarfrost Hill
Icemark
The Nightfort abandoned by the Night's Watch
Deep Lake
Queensgate
Castle Black, commanded by the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch
Oakenshield
Woodswatch-by-the-Pool
Sable Hall
Rimegate
Long Barrow
The Torches
Greenguard
Eastwatch-by-the-Sea, commanded by Cotter Pyke
When the Nightfort was still occupied, there were eighteen castles at the Wall. When Deep Lake was built the Nightfort was abandoned but there are still nineteen castles. First wrinkle in the theory? Maybe but...
Looking at the Shemoneh Esrei (meaning eighteen) prayers www.hebrew4christians.com/Prayers/Daily_Prayers/Shemoneh_Esrei/shemoneh_esrei.html
i found they are broken into three parts.
1.Praise- the first three blessings
2.Petitions- thirteen blessings
3.Thanks- the last three blessings
This adds up to nineteen not eighteen. The reason for this was that an additional "blessing was added later but the name Shemoneh Esrei was retained.
There may be 19 castles but Jon sees it as his duty to garrison 18 of them after he cedes the Nightfort to Stannis.
When the Wall was built, eighteen castles spanned its length. The Watch has never occupied all eighteen at
once,which means the Night's Watch has never been at its full strength. As Lord Commander, Jon means to
man all eighteen castles for the first time.
"The Night's Watch built those castles …"
"And the Night's Watch abandoned them."
"… to defend the Wall," Jon finished stubbornly, "not as seats for southron lords. The stones of those forts
are mortared with the blood and bones of my brothers, long dead. I cannot give them to you."
"Cannot or will not?" The cords in the king's neck stood out sharp as swords. "I offered you a name."
"I have a name, Your Grace."
"Snow. Was ever a name more ill-omened?" Stannis touched his sword hilt. "Just who do you imagine that you
are?"
"The watcher on the walls. The sword in the darkness."
"Don't prate your words at me." Stannis drew the blade he called Lightbringer. "Here is your sword in the
darkness." Light rippled up and down the blade, now red, now yellow, now orange, painting the king's face in
harsh, bright hues. "Even a green boy should be able to see that. Are you blind?"
"No, Sire. I agree these castles must be garrisoned—"
"The boy commander agrees. How fortunate."
"—by the Night's Watch."
A Dance with Dragons - Jon I
"And the Night's Watch abandoned them."
"… to defend the Wall," Jon finished stubbornly, "not as seats for southron lords. The stones of those forts
are mortared with the blood and bones of my brothers, long dead. I cannot give them to you."
"Cannot or will not?" The cords in the king's neck stood out sharp as swords. "I offered you a name."
"I have a name, Your Grace."
"Snow. Was ever a name more ill-omened?" Stannis touched his sword hilt. "Just who do you imagine that you
are?"
"The watcher on the walls. The sword in the darkness."
"Don't prate your words at me." Stannis drew the blade he called Lightbringer. "Here is your sword in the
darkness." Light rippled up and down the blade, now red, now yellow, now orange, painting the king's face in
harsh, bright hues. "Even a green boy should be able to see that. Are you blind?"
"No, Sire. I agree these castles must be garrisoned—"
"The boy commander agrees. How fortunate."
"—by the Night's Watch."
A Dance with Dragons - Jon I
The Knight's Watch
Swearing the Night's Watch vow is swearing to live a Mighty or Heroic Life, like that of a Knight
Knighthood seems to be an Andal tradition...
Knighthood likely has its roots in Andal culture, due to its association to the Faith of the Seven which the Andals brought to Westeros during the Andal invasion, although legends of the Reach claim chivalry was brought by the First Knight, John the Oak. The military success of the Andals' mounted knights and their steel armament proved vital to the Andals' conquest of most of Westeros. Knighthood holds less cultural significance in areas of Westeros that are less assimilated to Andal culture, such as the north and the Iron Islands.awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Knight#Knighthood_ceremony
...but some of the books and scrolls at the Wall seem to disagree...
"The oldest histories we have were written after the Andals came to Westeros. The First Men only left us
runes on rocks, so everything we think we know about the Age of Heroes and the Dawn Age and the Long
Night comes from accounts set down by septons thousands of years later. There are archmaesters at the
Citadel who question all of it. Those old histories are full of kings who reigned for hundreds of years, and
knights riding around a thousand years before there were knights." A Feast for Crows - Samwell I
runes on rocks, so everything we think we know about the Age of Heroes and the Dawn Age and the Long
Night comes from accounts set down by septons thousands of years later. There are archmaesters at the
Citadel who question all of it. Those old histories are full of kings who reigned for hundreds of years, and
knights riding around a thousand years before there were knights." A Feast for Crows - Samwell I
is the same as the Vigil a southern squire will stand to earn his spurs except the Black brothers vigil never
ends. The men of the Nights Watch will always be squires.
The word Squire comes from the french word Esquire , meaning shield bearer.
"The shield that guards the realms of men"
There is a feast hall at Castle Black called the ShieldHall. A knight who took the Black would hang his shield on
the wall and take up a plain black shield for his watch.
To me this is symbolic of a Knight giving up his Knighthood to begin his watch/vigil at the Wall. When he died
in service to the Nights Watch,becoming a true Knight,the shield would be taken down and intombed with
him or burned with him on his pyre.
"We can only die. Why else do we don these black cloaks, but to die in defence of the realm?
ACOK Jon V
ACOK Jon V
The Sword of Heroes
Darkness lay over the world and a hero, Azor Ahai, was chosen to fight against it. To fight the darkness, Azor
Ahai needed to forge a hero's sword. He labored for thirty days and thirty nights until it was done. However,
when he went to temper it in water, the sword broke.
Water- Birth.
Thee highborn of the north have traditionally considered it an honor to serve on the Wall. Many younger sons
of northern houses, low in the line of succession, gladly took the black. Shields of nobles from the Hundred
Kingdoms of Westeros were proudly displayed in the Shieldhall at Castle Black. Little by little, the Night's
Watch forgot that its main mission was not the fight against the wildlings, but against the Others. (awoiaf)
In the Watch's history, Noble birth was not a guarantee of honour...
Rodrik Flint, thought to make himself King-beyond-the-Wall.
Tristan Mudd, Mad Marq Rankenfell, and Robin Hill; Three Lords Commander who nearly destroyed the Watch
when they forgot their vows in favor of their pride and ambition.
Runcel Hightower, tried to make the position of Lord Commander hereditary and pass the position to his son.
nor does it guarentee competance...
Sleepy Jack Musgood, Lord Commander of the Night's Watch when Raymun Redbeard crossed the Wall and
was late for the Battle at Long Lake.
He was not one to give up easily, so he started over. The second time he took fifty days and fifty nights to
make the sword, even better than the first. To temper it this time, he captured a lion and drove the sword
into its heart, but once more the steel shattered.
The Heart of a Lion- Bravery.
Bravery is obviously needed at the Wall, but can someone be too brave?
The gathering gloom put Bran in mind of another of Old Nan's stories, the tale of Night's King. He had been
the thirteenth man to lead the Night's Watch, she said; a warrior who knew no fear. "And that was the fault in
him," she would add, "for all men must know fear." A Storm of Swords - Bran IV
the thirteenth man to lead the Night's Watch, she said; a warrior who knew no fear. "And that was the fault in
him," she would add, "for all men must know fear." A Storm of Swords - Bran IV
takes to lead the Night's Watch and the issue of Birth and Bravery...
Cotter Pyke and Sam discuss Ser Denys Mallister
A Storm of Swords- Samwell V
"He's old," Sam agreed, "but he's well ex-experienced."
"At sitting in his tower and fussing over maps, maybe. What does he plan to do, write letters to the wights?
He's a knight, well and good, but he's not a fighter, and I don't give a kettle of piss who he unhorsed in some
fool tourney fifty years ago. The Halfhand fought all his battles, even an old blind man should see that. And
we need a fighter more than ever with this bloody king on top of us. Today it's ruins and empty fields, well
and good, but what will His Grace want come the morrow? You think Mallister has the belly to stand up to
Stannis Baratheon and that red bitch?" He laughed. "I don't."
"You won't support him, then?" said Sam, dismayed.
"At sitting in his tower and fussing over maps, maybe. What does he plan to do, write letters to the wights?
He's a knight, well and good, but he's not a fighter, and I don't give a kettle of piss who he unhorsed in some
fool tourney fifty years ago. The Halfhand fought all his battles, even an old blind man should see that. And
we need a fighter more than ever with this bloody king on top of us. Today it's ruins and empty fields, well
and good, but what will His Grace want come the morrow? You think Mallister has the belly to stand up to
Stannis Baratheon and that red bitch?" He laughed. "I don't."
"You won't support him, then?" said Sam, dismayed.
A Storm of Swords - Samwell V
"You are," Sam agreed, "but Cotter Pyke might serve. It's said he has oft proved himself in battle." He did not
mean to offend Ser Denys by praising his rival, but how else could he convince him to withdraw?
"Many of my brothers have proved themselves in battle. It is not enough. Some matters cannot be settled
with a battleaxe. Maester Aemon will understand that, though Cotter Pyke does not. The Lord Commander of
the Night's Watch is a lord, first and foremost. He must be able to treat with other lords . . . and with kings as
well. He must be a man worthy of respect." Ser Denys leaned forward. "We are the sons of great lords, you
and I. We know the importance of birth, blood, and that early training that can ne'er be replaced. I was a
squire at twelve, a knight at eighteen, a champion at two-and-twenty. I have been the commander at the
Shadow Tower for thirty-three years. Blood, birth, and training have fitted me to deal with kings. Pyke . . .
well, did you hear him this morning, asking if His Grace would wipe his bottom? Samwell, it is not my habit to
speak unkindly of my brothers, but let us be frank . . . the ironborn are a race of pirates and thieves, and
Cotter Pyke was raping and murdering when he was still half a boy. Maester Harmune reads and writes his
letters, and has for years. No, loath as I am to disappoint Maester Aemon, I could not in honor stand aside for
Pyke of Eastwatch."
This time Sam was ready. "Might you for someone else? If it was someone more suitable?"
mean to offend Ser Denys by praising his rival, but how else could he convince him to withdraw?
"Many of my brothers have proved themselves in battle. It is not enough. Some matters cannot be settled
with a battleaxe. Maester Aemon will understand that, though Cotter Pyke does not. The Lord Commander of
the Night's Watch is a lord, first and foremost. He must be able to treat with other lords . . . and with kings as
well. He must be a man worthy of respect." Ser Denys leaned forward. "We are the sons of great lords, you
and I. We know the importance of birth, blood, and that early training that can ne'er be replaced. I was a
squire at twelve, a knight at eighteen, a champion at two-and-twenty. I have been the commander at the
Shadow Tower for thirty-three years. Blood, birth, and training have fitted me to deal with kings. Pyke . . .
well, did you hear him this morning, asking if His Grace would wipe his bottom? Samwell, it is not my habit to
speak unkindly of my brothers, but let us be frank . . . the ironborn are a race of pirates and thieves, and
Cotter Pyke was raping and murdering when he was still half a boy. Maester Harmune reads and writes his
letters, and has for years. No, loath as I am to disappoint Maester Aemon, I could not in honor stand aside for
Pyke of Eastwatch."
This time Sam was ready. "Might you for someone else? If it was someone more suitable?"
The third time, with a heavy heart, for he knew before hand what he must do to finish the blade, he worked
for a hundred days and nights until it was finished. This time, he called for his wife, Nissa Nissa, and asked her
to bare her breast.
Nissa Nissa- Sacrifice
www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Nissa
The Hebrew meaning of the name Nissa is- To test. The heart of Nissa Nissa tempers Lightbringer.
"...he summoned his wife. 'Nissa Nissa,' he said to her, for that was her name, 'bare your breast, and know that
I love you best of all that is in this world.' She did this thing, why I cannot say, and Azor Ahai thrust the
smoking sword through her living heart. It is said that her cry of anguish and ecstasy left a crack across the
face of the moon, but her blood and her soul and her strength and her courage all went into the steel. Such is
the tale of the forging of Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes." ACOK Davos I
I love you best of all that is in this world.' She did this thing, why I cannot say, and Azor Ahai thrust the
smoking sword through her living heart. It is said that her cry of anguish and ecstasy left a crack across the
face of the moon, but her blood and her soul and her strength and her courage all went into the steel. Such is
the tale of the forging of Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes." ACOK Davos I
The Nights Watch is a sacrifice. The vow means giving up everything. No wife,no children, no titles, no glory. You serve for life. Your life and your honour belong to the Watch.
Jon pledged his life and his honour to the Night's watch for all the night's to come. When Qhorin ordered Jon
to go over to the Wildlings, he knew it would mean his death. Qhorin gave up his life in defence of the realm
just as he swore to do.
When Jon killed Qhorin and went over to the Wildlings, he knew he would be known as an oathbreaker.
He did not understand. "What do you mean?"
"If we are taken, you must yield."
"Yield?" He blinked in disbelief. The wildlings did not make captives of the men they called the crows. They
killed them, except for . . . "They only spare oathbreakers. Those who join them, like Mance Rayder."
"And you."
"No." He shook his head. "Never. I won't."
"You will. I command it of you."
"Command it? But . . ."
"Our honor means no more than our lives, so long as the realm is safe. Are you a man of the Night's Watch?"
Jon sat up straight. "I am."
"Then hear me. If we are taken, you will go over to them, as the wildling girl you captured once urged you.
They may demand that you cut your cloak to ribbons, that you swear them an oath on your father's grave,
that you curse your brothers and your Lord Commander. You must not balk, whatever is asked of you. Do as
they bid you . . . but in your heart, remember who and what you are. Ride with them, eat with them, fight
with them, for as long as it takes. And watch."
A Clash of Kings - Jon VIII
"If we are taken, you must yield."
"Yield?" He blinked in disbelief. The wildlings did not make captives of the men they called the crows. They
killed them, except for . . . "They only spare oathbreakers. Those who join them, like Mance Rayder."
"And you."
"No." He shook his head. "Never. I won't."
"You will. I command it of you."
"Command it? But . . ."
"Our honor means no more than our lives, so long as the realm is safe. Are you a man of the Night's Watch?"
Jon sat up straight. "I am."
"Then hear me. If we are taken, you will go over to them, as the wildling girl you captured once urged you.
They may demand that you cut your cloak to ribbons, that you swear them an oath on your father's grave,
that you curse your brothers and your Lord Commander. You must not balk, whatever is asked of you. Do as
they bid you . . . but in your heart, remember who and what you are. Ride with them, eat with them, fight
with them, for as long as it takes. And watch."
A Clash of Kings - Jon VIII
Wall he was including them in the realms of men that he swore to shield. When he was murdered for this he
sacrificed himself, just as he swore to. If Jon is resurrected he will be the only "living" person to do this. His
watch/vigil will have ended.
Im not saying Jon will level up into some sort of superhero, but i do think people will see him as something
special.
People will be inspired by him and people will follow him just like the Dothraki followed Daenerys when she
walked out of Khal Drogo's funeral pyre.
He will command the men defending the wall,Brothers and Free Folk alike,and wield them like a sword,maybe even a Sword of Heroes.
I see Azor Ahai as an Order similar to(if not the the true) Knighthood. All men, highborn or lowborn,Bastard or Lord can be forged into Lightbringer. All they have to do is be willing to sacrifice everything they have including their honour and their life in defense of the Realms of Men, and seek no glory for it.
He offered the raven a handful of corn from his pocket. "They will garb your brother Robb in silks, satins, and velvets of a hundred different colors, while you live and die in black ringmail. He will wed some beautiful princess and father sons on her. You'll have no wife, nor will you ever hold a child of your own blood in your arms. Robb will rule, you will serve. Men will call you a crow. Him they'll call Your Grace. Singers will praise every little thing he does, while your greatest deeds all go unsung. Tell me that none of this troubles you, Jon . . . and I'll name you a liar, and know I have the truth of it."
Jon drew himself up, taut as a bowstring. "And if it did trouble me, what might I do, bastard as I am?"
"What will you do?" Mormont asked. "Bastard as you are?"
"Be troubled," said Jon, "and keep my vows." A Clash of Kings - Jon I
Jon drew himself up, taut as a bowstring. "And if it did trouble me, what might I do, bastard as I am?"
"What will you do?" Mormont asked. "Bastard as you are?"
"Be troubled," said Jon, "and keep my vows." A Clash of Kings - Jon I