Post by shymaid on Sept 17, 2018 15:57:23 GMT
Well, I think there is a hint on the description of how the tree's grow and who might have wanted them to grow. Jon ties a slender weirwood to Bran, and so I wonder if a connection is to be made between Bran and all slender weirwoods. However, Bran himself is never described as slender in the text, so perhaps it is not him causing these particular tree's to pop up. I think it is, but I could also see how it could be Jon, who is described as slender, and if we find out some day that Jon is a powerful greenseer, too.
Other people tied to a slender description in the text that associate both the old gods and weirwoods are Meera and Jojen. If they are both slender, is it possible that one of their parents is slender as well? Could the slender tree's actually be a nod to Howland? I think he is going to turn out to be very important, he is tied to the ability to talk to tree's and weave words into magic and that is even before he visited the Isle of Faces. That young crannogman is also noted to be a tree climber, which possibly ties to Bran. Is Howland sending Bran messages the reason that he has been inspired to climb tree's since before he can remember?
If I had to bet money, I would say the slender tree's tie to Bran, but Howland is my wild card for second place in relation to the slender tree's. Jon is less likely, although he is noted to be slender.
Oh, I don't think that the slender ties to Bloodraven in the tree descriptions, but perhaps the twisted root's of the weirwoods tie back to Bloodraven. He is in a cave with twisted roots that have become a part of him, or he has become part of them. I do think it's interesting that Jon describes Bran's legs as "bent in ways that made him sick". It doesn't say twisted directly, but one definition of twisted is to be forced out of its natural or proper shape. I do think this could tie to Bran's fall being caused by Bloodraven, perhaps as a way to push Bran forward on his journey.
Well, turns out I can't follow your train of thought here... Are you saying these slender physical trees are sprouted by a greenseer, or are you thinking of dream trees? Personally, if I think in these lines, I'd say that they could appear in dreams like a tree (as we see in Jon's first on-page wolf dream, and in at least two of Bran's dreams), but I don't think they sprout physical trees. Or perhaps I'm misunderstanding you... Sorry, if so...
Well, just because the Red Keep doesn't have a weirwood, it doesn't mean that Bloodraven isn't seeing his brothers and the woman he desired through different tree's in a different castle. Those people he is referring to don't need to be in the Red Keep. I guess I don't know what the Red Keep has to do with what Bloodraven might be seeing with these people he is referring to. Is that something from Dunk and Egg?
No, these things probably took place before the rebellion, if indeed that is the timeframe he's thinking of (which I think is most likely). Shiera, I think, lived at the Red Keep; Bittersteel lived with the Brackens for years, but he was trained as a knight at the Red Keep by Fireball; Daemon grew up at the Red Keep and was also trained by Fireball, while he was given lands and rights to raise a castle there is no evidence he did. As Bittersteel was a large part in Daemon revolting, as was Fireball, the probability was that they lived in the Red Keep for the important times, if indeed the rebellion is what Brynded is thinking of here.
The reason I brought this up is your line of thinking of slender weirwoods, physical weirwoods, as there are none in the Red Keep, slender or otherwise. As said above, in dreams trees might appear, but probably not physically. Or again, we're talking past each other.
And the Red Keep does have a heart tree and it has a face. It's a black oak, but perhaps a powerful greenseer could use all the tree's with faces? The tree's that have faces are connected at least in the fact that someone carved them in a similar manner, and perhaps with a similar intent.
Nope, it doesn't have a face.
How long he waited in the quiet of the godswood, he could not say. It was peaceful here. The thick walls shut out the clamor of the castle, and he could hear birds singing, the murmur of crickets, leaves rustling in a gentle wind. The heart tree was an oak, brown and faceless, yet Ned Stark still felt the presence of his gods. His leg did not seem to hurt so much.
Eddard XII
And we have no evidence they can use other trees to see through, nor a faceless one. According to Osha, the old gods can't keep an eye on Bran's family down south due to this. She might be wrong, but she might be right as well.
And it is possible that Bloodraven might not need tree's to see what he wants in the world now, but he might have at one time. I am sure that he grew stronger in his greensight powers as the years have passed and he might not need to tools he needed when he was starting too learn.
Personally, I think Brynden can see without trees, with what he tells Bran. If that was due to growing power, I don't know. It may be that he was very strong when he entered the weirnet.