shizett , when you get a chance, you might want to take a peak at the discussion from the Sansa chapter we reviewed in ASOS. We discussed some of these ideas that we're talking about here , in there. Nothing urgent about it, but it might give you a bit of background about where we're coming from.
If Starks of the crypts are put there to protect the living Starks, he could taken Lyanna to be a protector for Jon, rather than being protected because of Jon. But this is just super speculative.
Well, until we get the next books, super speculative is all fair game.
So, the above seems possible. And, given that Ned appears to both Bran and Rickon, the idea that Lyanna is "there" for Jon. . . gotta be on the table.
OOOOH! Never had caught that, such an interesting idea!
It's still "super speculative" (to borrow a phrase). But when I finally did a re-read, Sansa's chapter after Ned's execution seems like it might be telling us something. She thinks of throwing herself from the tower, how her body would shame everyone, and how it would end the images in her head of Ned's death--but she just can't do it.
Seems similar to the story of the Bael Maid and Ashara. But Sansa the Stark Maid couldn't do it, despite the horror. Am wondering if Lyanna was similarly "tough"--and locked in a tower.
Also, Margaery, who is a false rose maid (Renly and the Tyrells wanted her to be a stand-in for Lyanna), is also locked up in King's Landing. So--Sansa the Roadside Rose and Marg the Golden Rose. Seems like Lyanna, the one with the blue rose crown, might also have been locked up there.
If we have a Lysa connection in Ashara and a man, it would be either Cat or Elia, depending on the man in question. If we're talking echoes, I don't think Cat would be Cat. Elia, though... In Arianne's good relations with the highborn Dornish people from her own generation, could we see an echo of Elia's own youth? Is it possible that the Water Gardens turned Elia and Ashara into sisters, kind of, with Arthur being "brother" to both? Later, he entered the part of "her" champion by punishing the Brotherhood that had taken her jewels and perhaps a kiss. And if Rhaegar and Ashara did have a thing later, it'll be Rhaegar in Baelish' role but to Ashara this time. Who knows, perhaps she made a go at him, suggesting that she could be the mother of the third head? It's hard to tell. But Ashara is younger than Elia, just like Lysa is younger than Cat. She's also considered more beautiful than Elia, just like Lysa was considered more beautiful than Cat. Barristan thinks Elia was interesting, just like Jaime thinks Cat was (compared to Lysa). Could Elia have taken the "Petyr" in this case, leaving Ashara with nothing but other means to get him in any way she could?
Which might expand the echoes and inversions even further.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
I think it's much more likely that the parallels between Sansa and Arya with Lyanna are more likely to hold true. And that Lyanna was beset by Lannister flunkeys (IE: Boros Blount.)
But the idea that she was running and ran into Rhaegar and Co.. . . that part I could buy. If it was incidental.
The Brotherhood Without Banners have that scene with the Hound where they really seem to echo the 3 KG at the tower. With Arya right there--but they are not fighting for/about her. Just helping her out.
Makes me think, again, that Lyanna ended up with Rhaegar and Co. by accident.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.