True, the Dayne's sword is passed from one generation to the next
Unlike the family swords that belong to other houses - both small and great - Dawn is not passed from one generation to the next. Instead, it is given to the Sword of the Morning. When there is no person worthy of that title, it remains vacant, as it has been the past 17 years. Interesting number, no?
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
True, the Dayne's sword is passed from one generation to the next
Unlike the family swords that belong to other houses - both small and great - Dawn is not passed from one generation to the next. Instead, it is given to the Sword of the Morning. When there is no person worthy of that title, it remains vacant, as it has been the past 17 years. Interesting number, no?
Or, to the Sword of the Evening--which seems to suggest that someone "unworthy" is wielding it.
Unlike the family swords that belong to other houses - both small and great - Dawn is not passed from one generation to the next. Instead, it is given to the Sword of the Morning. When there is no person worthy of that title, it remains vacant, as it has been the past 17 years. Interesting number, no?
Or, to the Sword of the Evening--which seems to suggest that someone "unworthy" is wielding it.
I always forget about the Sword of the Evening. Might this be a wielder as Darkness falls?
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
Or, to the Sword of the Evening--which seems to suggest that someone "unworthy" is wielding it.
I always forget about the Sword of the Evening. Might this be a wielder as Darkness falls?
Thus far we've only seen two mentions of it. Darkstar says he aims to be the Sword of the Evening, and a historial Dayne in the semi-canon World Book which lists the last King of the Torrentine being a "Sword of the Evening" before being sent to the Wall in defeat by Nymeria.
Hmm. Not sure what to make of that. Darkstar is a trueborn Dayne, so it can't be a daynish bastard title. Mayhaps it is the name given to those who steal Dawn or claim it by treachery?
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
Hmm. Not sure what to make of that. Darkstar is a trueborn Dayne, so it can't be a daynish bastard title. Mayhaps it is the name given to those who steal Dawn or claim it by treachery?
For some reason I always thought that there was a bit of a ceremony to claiming Dawn, that perhaps two contenders were to meet in battle and one was declared the Sword of the Morning and the other the Sword of the Evening--that they were to ritualistically do battle with one another, the Sword of the Morning is supposed to win in the ritual and then claim the right to pull Dawn from the meteorite. With occasionally the Sword of the Evening winning the challenge. Or perhaps the title is bestowed based upon how the person who's a sword defeats their opponent--with a Sword of the Morning defeating their opponent honorably and fairly, while the Sword of the Evening perhaps pulling some shinnanegans during the fight like cheating or being dishonorable in some nature? And that depending upon how the contender won the challenge they were either declared a Sword of the Morning or a Sword of the Evening.
This scenario in my head sounds kinda similar to what BB was talking about with regards to the Black Knight--and there's mention of there being two swords (a light and a dark) doing battle with one another in the Black Knight comics (at least that's what she indicated). @prettypig, we need your thoughts ASAP, because we're dying to learn more.
Hmm. Not sure what to make of that. Darkstar is a trueborn Dayne, so it can't be a daynish bastard title. Mayhaps it is the name given to those who steal Dawn or claim it by treachery?
My thoughts are that Darkstar wasn't chosen by Dawn, so he chose to be its foil. His blade is VS, right?
This scenario in my head sounds kinda similar to what BB was talking about with regards to the Black Knight--and there's mention of there being two swords (a light and a dark) doing battle with one another in the Black Knight comics (at least that's what she indicated). BeautifulBacon, we need your thoughts ASAP, because we're dying to learn more.
Hmm. Well, the Black Knight has carried two swords: The Ebony Blade, passed down through his lineage, that is magical and cursed with the souls of those who perished by it; and the Sword of Light, another magical sword given to him by the Lady of the Lake, along with the Shield of Night - these two are used in conjunction, the Shield of Night absorbing magical energy which is then blasted out through the Sword of Light. I don't think the two swords ever crossed, though - Dane Whitman abandoned the Ebony Blade for a while when it became too corrupted and powerful, and while that sword was recharging in the meteor or lost or something, I can't really tell, he met up with the LotL who gave him all new gear. He used these new weapons in a time-travel body-swapping side plot and then after some time turned back to the Ebony Blade.
My thoughts are that Darkstar wasn't chosen by Dawn, so he chose to be its foil
HA! Funny you should say this. Back to the comics again - there's actually a character named Sean Dolan, who was squire to the Black Knight. During a battle with some other bad guys, Dolan picked up the Ebony Blade in defense - a big no no, as only the proper guy with the right lineage can use it. Dolan became corrupted by its magic, and transformed into the enemy to the Black Knight known as Bloodwraith.
Not of huge importance to the current story, but I thought it was a fun connection.
Congrats on your 1000 posts! Don't worry, it doesn't last long.
Tormund's member doesn't last long?
::facepalm:: Guess in this case it's all about size and not about how you use it... No endurance! Turns back into Tyrion before you even realize he's there. :::
Why must I always be the isle of crazy alone in an ocean of sensibility? The should to everybody else’s shouldn’t? The I-will to their better-nots?
Hmm. Well, the Black Knight has carried two swords: The Ebony Blade, passed down through his lineage, that is magical and cursed with the souls of those who perished by it; and the Sword of Light, another magical sword given to him by the Lady of the Lake, along with the Shield of Night - these two are used in conjunction, the Shield of Night absorbing magical energy which is then blasted out through the Sword of Light. I don't think the two swords ever crossed, though - Dane Whitman abandoned the Ebony Blade for a while when it became too corrupted and powerful, and while that sword was recharging in the meteor or lost or something, I can't really tell, he met up with the LotL who gave him all new gear. He used these new weapons in a time-travel body-swapping side plot and then after some time turned back to the Ebony Blade.
I looked him up the other night when you mentioned him. Lots of interesting stuff there. What cracked me up was that he even made himself a light saber to use in between the two blades. To clarify, were you thinking of him being a parallel to Arthur Dayne or to Jon Snow? I thought Arthur but I think others thought Jon.
! Funny you should say this. Back to the comics again - there's actually a character named Sean Dolan, who was squire to the Black Knight. During a battle with some other bad guys, Dolan picked up the Ebony Blade in defense - a big no no, as only the proper guy with the right lineage can use it. Dolan became corrupted by its magic, and transformed into the enemy to the Black Knight known as Bloodwraith.
Not of huge importance to the current story, but I thought it was a fun connection.
Hmm. When I read that part I thought about Jaime Lannister. Interesting to tie it to Dark Star. We still don't know why Doran views him as dangerous.
Why must I always be the isle of crazy alone in an ocean of sensibility? The should to everybody else’s shouldn’t? The I-will to their better-nots?
::facepalm:: Guess in this case it's all about size and not about how you use it... No endurance! Turns back into Tyrion before you even realize he's there. :::
LMAO
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
Hmm. Well, the Black Knight has carried two swords: The Ebony Blade, passed down through his lineage, that is magical and cursed with the souls of those who perished by it; and the Sword of Light, another magical sword given to him by the Lady of the Lake, along with the Shield of Night - these two are used in conjunction, the Shield of Night absorbing magical energy which is then blasted out through the Sword of Light. I don't think the two swords ever crossed, though - Dane Whitman abandoned the Ebony Blade for a while when it became too corrupted and powerful, and while that sword was recharging in the meteor or lost or something, I can't really tell, he met up with the LotL who gave him all new gear. He used these new weapons in a time-travel body-swapping side plot and then after some time turned back to the Ebony Blade.
I looked him up the other night when you mentioned him. Lots of interesting stuff there. What cracked me up was that he even made himself a light saber to use in between the two blades. To clarify, were you thinking of him being a parallel to Arthur Dayne or to Jon Snow? I thought Arthur but I think others thought Jon.
I too thought the post was about Arthur, and not Jon. So far though I've only seen Melisandra say it was for Jon though.
My thoughts are that Darkstar wasn't chosen by Dawn, so he chose to be its foil. His blade is VS, right?
Honestly, I have no idea what kind of sword Gerold has. Haven't read that chapter in quite some time. But I like the notion that the sword chooses its master.
It does, but such would not explain the seemingly unexplained reverence and deference we see between houses Stark and Dayne. Methinks Dawn=Ice explains some of it.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
Why do some of you believe that Dawn and Ice are the same sword? Does it not make sense that there are two swords?
I think I'm confused, too. Didn't Ned indicate Arthur had Dawn in his hand at the TOJ? Well, what the hell was Ned wielding, then? Besides a crannogman