Post by Maester Sam on Apr 25, 2017 19:16:23 GMT
thanks!
as mentioned in my previous post, i am still to fit the Blackwoods in there somehow...
They have black hair, right? Could they be distant relatives of the Baratheons/Durrandons? Or possibly the ironborn? Theon had a green dream at Winterfell (foreseeing Robb and Grey Wind's death at the Red Wedding), and he can hear Bran through the heart tree. In addition, Euron is so powerful he may be classified as an untrained greenseer. As you pointed out earlier, BR is a Blackwood and he has similar skills. What's more, Egg married a Blackwood woman, and so Dany, maybe Aegon (if he's real) and maybe Jon (if he's Rhaegar's) would also share Blackwood blood.
In terms of location it would also roughly fit if their shared ancestors split up, with some moving onto the islands (probably not islands back then) and others heading farther north to settle in the wolfswood.
Iron rusts, more slowly in the desert, but it still does rust.
Good point- and the Dothraki sea is not even a desert.
Yes; I suspect that Andal warriors such as Garth the Green and his mob would have been very motivated to seize such a vantage spot.
Agreed - though I suspect that the Battle occurred well before the discovery of the Isle by the Andals. I say this only b/c nobody remembers what battle was fought there, by whom, or why. If GTG had been involved (or any significant force of record-keeping Andals), shouldn't the battle be recorded in history?
Do we know when specifically Oldtown was founded? I would think the battle would have occurred before then (which may be damaging to my Dayne origin theory, but I don't see how the battle could have been fought in the middle of a city and not be mentioned in the history books at all).
why not? the back story of the Daynes is indeed very mysterious and instead of migrating direct to Starfall, they may well have come via the Honeywine.
Especially if they came from the West. They came over with their dragons (just like the Targs from the other direction thousands of years later), found a nice island, and settled there. They built the fortress and lived peacefully, until one day they were attacked by an enemy powerful enough to expel these technologically/magically advanced dragonlords from their home.
My main reason for making the connection is that it would require one fewer migration of dragonlords to Westeros. We know they lived on Battle Isle, and we suspect they have descendants living on Starfall in the present day. It would fit nicely if the lost dragonlords of Battle Isle were the founders of House Dayne (and would give a potential explanation for why the Daynes don't have dragons despite having Valyrian traits).
The problem i have with the Daynes is not so much their travel routes but their magic sword.
I think that Eldric the Shadowchaser (one of the AA avatars) was the Dayne who eventually acquired the magic sword. The Last Hero; the dragon steel blade recorded in the Nightfort chronicles.
But that magic sword was only acquired after he met the children following his long search.
If the original Dayne followed a meteor to Starfall, then somehow he did forge that cosmic stone into, presumably, Dawn. Which does not mesh with the LH and his dragonsteel blade.
aaargh!!
Hmmm. I never thought of Dawn as dragonsteel - mostly b/c it's so unique in terms of material, truly one of a kind. The NW annals mention the dragonsteel blade as if the reader should know what this is, which suggests to me that it was a material used for more than just one sword. Even in the present day, there is no name for the meteorite material that Dawn is made of.
I am somewhat familiar with the theory that the Last Hero = a Dayne, and while I like the idea of it quite a lot, I agree with you that it doesn't fit with Dawn's origin story. We are told pretty clearly that it was forged from the heart of a fallen star, which presumably occurred on the Dayne's home island of Starfall since we are told that's where the star landed.
In addition to the problems with location, I also don't know how the COTF would have helped the LH forge the sword, given that they don't work metal at all. Lastly, the guy's name of "The Last Hero" suggests he was Westerosi, since there was no Age of Heroes in Essos. He was the last of the Westerosi "heroes" b/c the LN ended the Age of Heroes. Not to mention he had a dog, not a dragon, and knew to look for the COTF, suggesting he was familiar with Westerosi history as well.
So in conclusion, IMO the Last Hero and Eldric Shadowchaser/AA were probably not the same guy.
Unless there were two blades: the LH's dragonsteel blade and Eldric's blinding sword?
All we know about the dragonsteel blade is that the other's could not stand against it. Was it made of obsidian? or did it generate enough sunlight to send them away?
We know little about Dawn, as yielded by Arthur Dayne, just that is it a real cool valyrian type blade. We know that AA supposedly had a blazing sword which routed the darkness, and boiled the blood of monster and ignited the beast.
We also know from the Arthurian legends that Arthur's magic sword was blinding.
I think they were two separate swords. Lightbringer at one point is referred to as the Red Sword of Heroes, while Dawn is pale as milkglass and alive with light. It almost matches the description of the blades used by the Others, which would link it to Ice more than Fire.
The show pretty strongly suggests that Valyrian steel in general can be used against the Others, and this is something I wouldn't be surprised to see in the books as well. I wouldn't even rule out the possibility of there having been multiple heroes (Eldric, AA, Hyrkoon) with burning VS blades. Beric presents us the mechanism on a silver platter: the blood of someone resurrected by a red priest can apparently set swords on fire. If the sword is then made of a material that can handle the heat, it may burn forever as far as we know. More than one person could have figured this out, and thus had a burning sword.
However, we never hear any legends about Dawn being a burning sword. In fact, as you pointed out, we know almost nothing about it except that it's made of a unique extraterrestrial material that shares some properties with Valyrian Steel. Its name (as well as that of the man who wields it - the Sword of the Morning) does imply a role in ending the Long Night, but the nature of that role is a complete mystery.