Joffrey is who the books and Martin lead us to believe. Both Tyrion and Jaime come to the conclusion that it was Joffrey in the book that Martin said it would be resolved. If it wasn't my money is on Mance.
Tyrion isn't a Targ. Jamie and Cersei are a maybe.
Joffrey was killed by Baelish and Olenna. We have the GOHH prophecy and Baelish knew things about the wedding that he couldn't know unless it was planned.
Mance being at Winterfell is one of the stupidest plot points across all of the books. It comes out of nowhere and really strains credibility that the Wildling King takes several months out of his schedule uniting the free folk to pose as a singer.
Then the practicalities of getting past the wall. Clearly Mance doesn't know about the Black Gate or he wouldn't need to send climbers over the Wall to take Castle Black. He claims he has sources within the NW that told him about King Robert's visit, perhaps they brought him past the wall otherwise it is a perilous climb or a detour of hundreds of miles to pass around the wall. Then he has to get back also without getting caught. And while he was at Winterfell he did nothing!
It is a really bad retcon to try and build a link between Mance and Jon.
Ok I thought you needed a brother to cross the black gate? And that's how they got through because of Sam?
“Never forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armour yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you.” ― George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones
Mance being at Winterfell is one of the stupidest plot points across all of the books. It comes out of nowhere and really strains credibility that the Wildling King takes several months out of his schedule uniting the free folk to pose as a singer.
Then the practicalities of getting past the wall. Clearly Mance doesn't know about the Black Gate or he wouldn't need to send climbers over the Wall to take Castle Black. He claims he has sources within the NW that told him about King Robert's visit, perhaps they brought him past the wall otherwise it is a perilous climb or a detour of hundreds of miles to pass around the wall. Then he has to get back also without getting caught. And while he was at Winterfell he did nothing!
It is a really bad retcon to try and build a link between Mance and Jon.
Ok I thought you needed a brother to cross the black gate? And that's how they got through because of Sam?
The mysteries of the Black Gate aside Mance was a sworn brother and knows the words of the NW. Presumably he could open the gate if he knew about it (?)
Only reason I brought it up is to point out how much danger there is for Mance to cross the wall for his sojourn down to see King Robert.
Post by DarkSister1001 on Feb 4, 2017 13:39:53 GMT
I started rewatching this week. I'm up to S1, E4. God's be good I miss some of those ppl. LF has just told Ned & Cat that he lost the dagger to Tyrion when he bet on Jaime in the joust for Joffs nameday.
The blade was Valyrian steel, spell-forged and dark as smoke. Nothing held an edge like Valyrian steel.