stdaga Aegon/Young Griff is said to be eighteen in appendix but he is still beardless when Tyrion describe him. I also think his lamky build is bogus to distract us from guessing he will grow up to be a thicc daddy Targaryen like Baelor and Maekar, Aegon is same as Jon Connington now, just shorter than Duck, growing still and can throw a man like Duck to Rhoyne so he will grow up to be a muscular man which makes sense since Mariah Martell's two sons had strong bulky built.
stdaga Aegon/Young Griff is said to be eighteen in appendix but he is still beardless when Tyrion describe him. I also think his lamky build is bogus to distract us from guessing he will grow up to be a thicc daddy Targaryen like Baelor and Maekar, Aegon is same as Jon Connington now, just shorter than Duck, growing still and can throw a man like Duck to Rhoyne so he will grow up to be a muscular man which makes sense since Mariah Martell's two sons had strong bulky built.
Certainly, young men can grow beards at vastly different rates and thicknesses, and age doesn't always matter. But I do agree that Young Griff seems to be strong, and lanky is usually described as tall but somewhat slender. But slender might just mean a person hasn't filled out yet.
Heck, that description of how tall Young Griff might be seems to be more information than we have on either Robb Stark or Jon Snow's height. There is a lot that GRRM is keeping in the dark.
As to the age thing in the appendix (a slender lad of eighteen years with blue hair), I am not certain what GRRM intends. Is he trying to go with how old Prince Aegon is/was to draw our thoughts that way, or how old Young Griff's character actually is (or just thinks he is)? Tyrion thinks he is somewhat younger, doesn't he? But Tyrion seems to be poor at guessing ages, perhaps because height is hard for him to judge?
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
stdaga Aegon/Young Griff is said to be eighteen in appendix but he is still beardless when Tyrion describe him. I also think his lamky build is bogus to distract us from guessing he will grow up to be a thicc daddy Targaryen like Baelor and Maekar, Aegon is same as Jon Connington now, just shorter than Duck, growing still and can throw a man like Duck to Rhoyne so he will grow up to be a muscular man which makes sense since Mariah Martell's two sons had strong bulky built.
Certainly, young men can grow beards at vastly different rates and thicknesses, and age doesn't always matter. But I do agree that Young Griff seems to be strong, and lanky is usually described as tall but somewhat slender. But slender might just mean a person hasn't filled out yet.
Heck, that description of how tall Young Griff might be seems to be more information than we have on either Robb Stark or Jon Snow's height. There is a lot that GRRM is keeping in the dark.
As to the age thing in the appendix (a slender lad of eighteen years with blue hair), I am not certain what GRRM intends. Is he trying to go with how old Prince Aegon is/was to draw our thoughts that way, or how old Young Griff's character actually is (or just thinks he is)? Tyrion thinks he is somewhat younger, doesn't he? But Tyrion seems to be poor at guessing ages, perhaps because height is hard for him to judge?
George didn't have to tell us age of Young Griff at the appendix, yes Tyrion is bad at age guessing but after finding out tho Aegon is he will assume he has to be eighteen anyways. Is it possible for Aegon to be a Dayne? Since Daenerys is out and we have no knowledge about Jon's nether regions, though I thought he grew a beard at some point? What about Val? She says Selyse has more mustache than her pubic hair...
George didn't have to tell us age of Young Griff at the appendix, yes Tyrion is bad at age guessing but after finding out tho Aegon is he will assume he has to be eighteen anyways. Is it possible for Aegon to be a Dayne? Since Daenerys is out and we have no knowledge about Jon's nether regions, though I thought he grew a beard at some point? What about Val? She says Selyse has more mustache than her pubic hair...
Haha to Val's comments about Selyse!
Yes, I think when Jon is north of the wall, either on the ranging or with his time with the wildlings, I think there is information on him having a beard of some sort. Which is interesting, since most of the ASOIAF artwork depicts a clean shaven (or unable to grow a beard) Jon Snow. It's interesting since Ned had a beard and Robb grows one, that this is our depiction of Jon Snow. Although, I think most of Robb's artwork shows him as clean shaven, as well.
You are correct, GRRM didn't need to give us Young Griff's age, but oddly enough, he lists several children in the appendixes by age, so it's almost like it's some sort of habit with him. Although, 18 is no longer a child by any means.
I think Young Griff could be a Dayne. It's possible! I see that as more likely than him being Rhaegar's actual son, but much of my thoughts from the start are about Young Griff being aBlackfyre and not a true born son of Rhaegar that it's hard for me to shed this concept, I guess. For some reason, Young Griff reminds me more of what we know of Ser Arthur Dayne than what we know of Rhaegar, so Dayne works too, either from Ashara or Arthur.
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
George didn't have to tell us age of Young Griff at the appendix, yes Tyrion is bad at age guessing but after finding out tho Aegon is he will assume he has to be eighteen anyways. Is it possible for Aegon to be a Dayne? Since Daenerys is out and we have no knowledge about Jon's nether regions, though I thought he grew a beard at some point? What about Val? She says Selyse has more mustache than her pubic hair...
Haha to Val's comments about Selyse!
Yes, I think when Jon is north of the wall, either on the ranging or with his time with the wildlings, I think there is information on him having a beard of some sort. Which is interesting, since most of the ASOIAF artwork depicts a clean shaven (or unable to grow a beard) Jon Snow. It's interesting since Ned had a beard and Robb grows one, that this is our depiction of Jon Snow. Although, I think most of Robb's artwork shows him as clean shaven, as well.
You are correct, GRRM didn't need to give us Young Griff's age, but oddly enough, he lists several children in the appendixes by age, so it's almost like it's some sort of habit with him. Although, 18 is no longer a child by any means.
I think Young Griff could be a Dayne. It's possible! I see that as more likely than him being Rhaegar's actual son, but much of my thoughts from the start are about Young Griff being aBlackfyre and not a true born son of Rhaegar that it's hard for me to shed this concept, I guess. For some reason, Young Griff reminds me more of what we know of Ser Arthur Dayne than what we know of Rhaegar, so Dayne works too, either from Ashara or Arthur.
Imagine the shock when we learn Varys did saved Prince Aegon but Aegon was actually son of Elia and Arthur... I will lose my shit at that very moment. But Rhaegar + Ashara is possible too
Imagine the shock when we learn Varys did saved Prince Aegon but Aegon was actually son of Elia and Arthur... I will lose my shit at that very moment. But Rhaegar + Ashara is possible too
This could turn out to be the case in the story and it would feel appropriate to me. Varys thinks he knows so much, but perhaps he missed the most important part of the equation... which is Rhaegar's seed!
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
Imagine the shock when we learn Varys did saved Prince Aegon but Aegon was actually son of Elia and Arthur... I will lose my shit at that very moment. But Rhaegar + Ashara is possible too
This could turn out to be the case in the story and it would feel appropriate to me. Varys thinks he knows so much, but perhaps he missed the most important part of the equation... which is Rhaegar's seed!
Possible but I am afraid RLJers will use Elia's cheating to justify why their why fave is superior - I will love if we never learn if Aegon was fake or not so when he proved to be a good choice for throne people won't use his fakeness against him.
Possible but I am afraid RLJers will use Elia's cheating to justify why their why fave is superior - I will love if we never learn if Aegon was fake or not so when he proved to be a good choice for throne people won't use his fakeness against him.
It's hard for me to sometimes even fathom that I once thought RLJ was the answer, honestly. However, if Young Griff turns out to be anyone's son besides Rhaegar's I am curious how Jon Con would react to the news and how he would treat the young man after that. He has spent much time nurturing him, after all.
As to Elia, honestly, there isn't much to indicate she would cheat on her marriage vows, but I could imagine there might have been some question to her having a lover before her marriage. But that would not affect Young Griff at all, or a third head that Rhaegar seemed to be searching for.
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
Possible but I am afraid RLJers will use Elia's cheating to justify why their why fave is superior - I will love if we never learn if Aegon was fake or not so when he proved to be a good choice for throne people won't use his fakeness against him.
It's hard for me to sometimes even fathom that I once thought RLJ was the answer, honestly. However, if Young Griff turns out to be anyone's son besides Rhaegar's I am curious how Jon Con would react to the news and how he would treat the young man after that. He has spent much time nurturing him, after all.
As to Elia, honestly, there isn't much to indicate she would cheat on her marriage vows, but I could imagine there might have been some question to her having a lover before her marriage. But that would not affect Young Griff at all, or a third head that Rhaegar seemed to be searching for.
I stopped caring about parentages tbh, I think Elia wouldn't dare do something wrong since she hardly had friends outside Dorne.