YES! I'm not alone in this thought--I brought it up during the last as we watch, but thought it too nutso.
After this episode--I'm thinking it's less nutso.
Would actually give a reason for the greyscale-just-to-be-cured plot.
Also--odd irony for Sam: if true, he'd have almost saved Jorah, but failed Mormont's son. While at the same time avenging his own brother's death.
Huh--does that count as a win????
I thought it was too nutso too, but the more I think about it maybe it isn't. Here's another idea. What if the Mad King had greyscale and had the same guy "cure" him too? We know the guy who came up with the procedure that Sam used died of greyscale himself, and Stannis's daughter seemed to be more in remission than actually cured because she still bore the signs of the disease.
Anyways, the Mad King wouldn't want anyone to know that he had greyscale, so he would have kept it quiet, but would have looked for a cure and probably would have found that one master. The Mad King would have went insane, but wouldn't have shown any of the scaly skin features.
It would also be interesting if Jorah starts going crazy when they're beyond the Wall also. The only reason I don't think they may infect Dany is because there is only 8 episodes left, and I don't think they could do that story arc justice.
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2. Given how the show is conflating characters--Ragger doesn't = Rhaegar. He melds with Rhaegar.
Their children will be so. . . . something!
I think they went with annulment over polygamy to make it easier. Movies/shows are always less complex than their books.
Definitely that. I also thought they kind of want peeps to like him. Sort of. You see, for Ramsay nobody gave two shits if Sansa got an annulment or not. Ramsay was a bad guy and I saw a vast majority of posters completely fine with Sansa not getting one, because Ramsay is a villain and he breaks the rules, and Sansa and Tyrion didn't consummate the marriage etc and stuff. Not true btw, because he's not an idiot and he'd want a marriage where with no shadow of doubt cast upon it at any point. Rhaegar though, I think Benioff and Weiss really want him to be cast in a "good" light where he's going about it the "proper" way in a scenario that's not too happy to begin with. Divorce never is except for the people who truly don't want to stay married anymore, and we don't know what Elia thought. And polygamy may have been acceptable for the universe the story is set too, but not for the audience is trying to reach. It's just a feeling I've got.
“Don’t fight in the North, or the South. Fight every battle everywhere. Always, in your mind.”
No way! are you serious?! Shit, it might be real and that's how she's trying to keep Jaime. Jeez, I don't know. You are confusing me.
I aim to please confuse.
LOL I rewatched the ep and I think she's pregnant and Qyburn just confirmed it when Jaime entered the room. I'm telling you there was no reason for Qyburn to be there at all for that scene, unless he was doing that! I need to find out what he said to her, because I'd didn't catch it. Maybe I'll watch again that scene with captioning. Though I gotta say that's not what Froggy the Witch saw.. maybe that ones like Mel and interprets the visions all wrong.
“Don’t fight in the North, or the South. Fight every battle everywhere. Always, in your mind.”
I like how Dany kept true to herself "I'm not here to put men in chains". Tarly should have taken the Black. Whether or not she's his queen, she is his conqueror.
Roasting father and son is very Mad King of her but they did make their choice. She needs the ppl to fear and love her. Her Dothraki and Unsullied love her. She'll have to start in Westeros with fear
I tell you what I didn't like though: "I'm not here to murder you. I'm here to give you a choice : bend the knee or I will murder you."
I believe they need better lines for Dany.
Also, I understand why she thinks that's the right choice if bend the knee is not acceptable to her prisoners of war. I still think it's unacceptable. And Benioff and Weiss know that. It's the reason we have Tyrion and Varys drinking themselves into oblivion in the throne room. Tyrion made the right call: the wall. If they refuse that (like the Tarlys), then treat them as prisoners. Put them in cells, eventually when the realm is yours and you're sitting on the IT, they'll either change their minds or you CAN send them to the wall because you'll be the recognized Queen.
I think I'm going to be rooting for Tyrion for the IT. Varys as hand.
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“Don’t fight in the North, or the South. Fight every battle everywhere. Always, in your mind.”
I need to find out what he said to her, because I'd didn't catch it.
I thought he said, "I can give you something..." and Cersei replied "That isn't necessary," or something along those lines. I sometimes miss things during my first watch, so I could be wrong. Maybe he was offering her moon tea?
I think they went with annulment over polygamy to make it easier. Movies/shows are always less complex than their books.
Absolutely--have they even talked about the polygamy aspect in the show? Incest, yes, but . . . . only Craster has the polygamy thing, right?
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
I thought it was too nutso too, but the more I think about it maybe it isn't. Here's another idea. What if the Mad King had greyscale and had the same guy "cure" him too? We know the guy who came up with the procedure that Sam used died of greyscale himself, and Stannis's daughter seemed to be more in remission than actually cured because she still bore the signs of the disease.
Anyways, the Mad King wouldn't want anyone to know that he had greyscale, so he would have kept it quiet, but would have looked for a cure and probably would have found that one master. The Mad King would have went insane, but wouldn't have shown any of the scaly skin features.
Interesting--but he doesn't seem to show the violence of the stone men--he didn't attack. He ordered others to "burn them all."
It would also be interesting if Jorah starts going crazy when they're beyond the Wall also. The only reason I don't think they may infect Dany is because there is only 8 episodes left, and I don't think they could do that story arc justice.
1. It would be very interesting if Jorah starts to lose it there.
2. On the bolded--they have been REALLY hit and miss on the greyscale arc in general. But they have established that it's devastating.
Might not need much more than that--Shireen, Gilly's sisters, the stone men in Valyria, the Maesters--they've established what the disease is and does.
Dany gets it, it's immediate impact.
Or--they could just drop the greyscale off of a cliff and they wasted multiple moments of screen time for absolutely nothing. *sigh*
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
I just assumed a SSM was more likely to happen first LOL
True--now and again, despite all of karsa 's work, I dare to hope.
At this point, I'm be happy if Martin would just give us the ending in a puppet show.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
Ah, the plot holes do verily abound !! If High Septon "for some reason I have a name" Maynard was so pedantic about recording his every activity, where is the entry immediately preceding the Rhaegar one where he allowed the breaking of Lyanna's betrothal to Bobby B ?
Yeah, betrothals were considered as ironclad as marriages...
That was the legal argument Richard III used to usurp his nephews after all. And what Stannis should have used to usurp Joffrey et. al.
I need to find out what he said to her, because I'd didn't catch it.
I thought he said, "I can give you something..." and Cersei replied "That isn't necessary," or something along those lines. I sometimes miss things during my first watch, so I could be wrong. Maybe he was offering her moon tea?
Nice! I didn't get a chance to do it myself but if that's what he said, then moon tea can be one of the options. Except, why would he think she'd want to get rid of the baby? I'd think she'd like a child with Jaime.
Huh, maybe Qyburn thought it may present a problem if she decides to accept Euron's marriage proposal (?) Interestingly enough if that becomes an issue later on and she does get an abortion, it's crystal clear Jamie WILL strangle the lifeblood out of her.
“Don’t fight in the North, or the South. Fight every battle everywhere. Always, in your mind.”
Absolutely--have they even talked about the polygamy aspect in the show? Incest, yes, but . . . . only Craster has the polygamy thing, right?
I think Arya mentioned "Aegon and his sisters" when she was talking to Tywin at Harrenhal but I don't think it was specifically stated that he was married to his sisters or that it was a common Targ practice. IMO Cersei has mentioned "the Targs did it" way too often regarding brother-humping for it to be used in the show to defend polygamy.
The blade was Valyrian steel, spell-forged and dark as smoke. Nothing held an edge like Valyrian steel.