Was that laughter really feeling? Could just as easy be getting caught up in mob rule. One thing Mandon does show is loyalty to his ultimate boss - the regent. You'd need a lot of authority (or manipulative wit) to break that in him, imo.
Read several threads on that with endless discussions on who was his paymaster. The LF angle also has arguments that LF got him the gig in the first place. That would depend on when Mandon joined up, of course, which we don't know.
LF makes sense considering his ties to Gulltown and the Vale. Certainly something to consider.
The thing that stands out with Moore is that he turns on the person he's sworn to protect as he's Tyrion's shield for the battle.
But did he swear? It's off page so we don't know if it was an actual oath such as Brienne swore to Cat or if he was simply told by Cersei to pretend to guard him and then kill him. I feel like "sworn sword" gets thrown around by the characters. He was Sansa's shield during the riot and left her.
The blade was Valyrian steel, spell-forged and dark as smoke. Nothing held an edge like Valyrian steel.
LF makes sense considering his ties to Gulltown and the Vale. Certainly something to consider.
Well, it's hard to say as we don't know when he jointed. When Robert took the throne LF was still very young and has his climb before him. So it could be Arryn's own initiative to give Mandon his place, and LF buying him off later on. If indeed he did. I'm not convinced either way, nor that he did it at anyone's bidding. Several times he gets separated from Tyrion in the battle, which could be normal or by his design to put Tyrion in danger. Hard to say!
But did he swear? It's off page so we don't know if it was an actual oath such as Brienne swore to Cat or if he was simply told by Cersei to pretend to guard him and then kill him. I feel like "sworn sword" gets thrown around by the characters. He was Sansa's shield during the riot and left her.
He's sworn to obey, so if he's ordered to be someone's shield he has to do that. I don't think they need to swear another oath to that specific person. And we see him abandoning that duty twice. With Sansa, would he have done that if the Hound was still at Joff's side or not? What are their general orders in situations like this, anyway?
Post by DarkSister1001 on Jul 25, 2018 23:02:11 GMT
I had a chance to go back and review the specifics of the moniker. Moore is referred to as a White Shadow twice, both during the Battle of the Blackwater. Once riding with Joff and once fighting my Tyrion along with Swann.
Barristan is called a White Shadow when Dany is holding court in Meerreen when Hazzea's father brings her bones to Dany after Drogon killed the child.
Ghost is a White Shadow 3 times. When Jon is walking the Wall with Tyrion, when Jon is making his rounds of Castle Black and when they rush Wun Wun and the wildlings beyond the Wall.
The Others are described as White Shadows when they're stalking Will, et al. Otherwise it's more of a noun.
The blade was Valyrian steel, spell-forged and dark as smoke. Nothing held an edge like Valyrian steel.
Post by DarkSister1001 on Jul 27, 2018 21:51:25 GMT
I was thinking of our 3 Shadows and Area Hotah.
He repeats his mantra 4 times. The first two in AFfC: Serve. Obey. Protect. The last two in ADwD: Serve. Protect. Obey.
Obedience moves down the list, after protection following the botched crowning of Myrcella.
Just thinking out loud here. Moore, Swann and Barristan are in full protection mode when they are call White Shadows Ghost seems to be more in service the first 2 times. Though I think he's always in protection mode. The Others force obedience from their thralls.
The blade was Valyrian steel, spell-forged and dark as smoke. Nothing held an edge like Valyrian steel.
Sorry for my absence lately, summer is here and I haven't had much time to read or post! The little time I have had, was occupied with Lord Brynden Rivers, after Westeros History posted their second part of his character review... I fear I am easily led astray by interesting characters... I'll try to get back into this shortly!
He repeats his mantra 4 times. The first two in AFfC: Serve. Obey. Protect. The last two in ADwD: Serve. Protect. Obey.
Obedience moves down the list, after protection following the botched crowning of Myrcella.
Just thinking out loud here. Moore, Swann and Barristan are in full protection mode when they are call White Shadows Ghost seems to be more in service the first 2 times. Though I think he's always in protection mode. The Others force obedience from their thralls.
Nice!
A sidenote to Moore, Swann and Barristan here; as Arthur, Whent and Hightower is noted as no shadows, it could be a clue that they were protecting nothing at that tower. At least not anything or anyone inside it, imo. Sorry, the realization of the potential meaning of that phrase totally blew my mind earlier, and I'm still reeling a bit from it. *Popping a Dayne-fever aspirin*
I had a chance to go back and review the specifics of the moniker. Moore is referred to as a White Shadow twice, both during the Battle of the Blackwater. Once riding with Joff and once fighting my Tyrion along with Swann.
Barristan is called a White Shadow when Dany is holding court in Meerreen when Hazzea's father brings her bones to Dany after Drogon killed the child.
Ghost is a White Shadow 3 times. When Jon is walking the Wall with Tyrion, when Jon is making his rounds of Castle Black and when they rush Wun Wun and the wildlings beyond the Wall.
The Others are described as White Shadows when they're stalking Will, et al. Otherwise it's more of a noun.
Your Tyrion is it?
I'll have a closer look a bit later. I did notice that Moore is noted as such when his charge was in mortal danger (or rather, one of his charges, as he abandoned Sansa).
I always thought it was "protect so-and-so with your life".
Yeah, me too. So abandoning his charge is neglecting his duty, strictly speaking. But it is possible their orders are first and foremost to protect the king even at the expense of their other charge if needed, as we see with the riot. Joff sent his own sword away, and so was unprotected when shit (literary) hit his head.