Post by voice on Aug 23, 2015 20:19:41 GMT
At the risk of going off topic again--in the Varamyr prologue, he never sees himself/his body rise as a wight, correct? Though he does see Thistle with glowing "eyes."
So--even in mass raisings--seems like some people aren't wighted. . . .perhaps because he's a warg?
The bodies could be posed, yes? With some up against the rocks.
LOL
Fucking Waymar.
I'm not sure if they were posed. Considering the placement of the axe, I get the feeling that, like Gared and Will, the wildlings felt something implacable in the air, and went for their arms. They sent a far-eyes into the tree as well ("the faces in the trees kept watch... ...as cold and death filled the earth").
Or, it could be that the wildlings were preparing for the kneeling crows, when they were ambushed by a blast of cold.
Gotta love that Royce's very expensive destrier is uneasy--but Royce is still casual. And the class difference--he's warm in the sables while the rest "have a chill"--his wealth and stays and distance from the Wall protect him from the initial cold and fear. It's backwards--what should be an advantage is a liability.
His uncle was sharp-featured and gaunt as a mountain crag, but there was always a hint of laughter in his blue-grey eyes. He dressed in black, as befitted a man of the Night's Watch. Tonight it was rich black velvet, with high leather boots and a wide belt with a silver buckle. A heavy silver chain was looped round his neck. Benjen watched Ghost with amusement as he ate his onion. "A very quiet wolf," he observed.
Let us pray Uncle Ben did not succumb to the same liabilities of privilege and arrogance.
This is a very interesting point. Are there areas that the Others see as "home," or that have significant meaning to them? Are these areas marked in some way. Is there a boundary line out there somewhere that has been forgotten???
Especially since running water takes so much longer to freeze than still and even the surrounding ground isn't frozen.
If I'm understanding it correctly, I believe you are correct. This actually makes me wonder if that is how we wound up with Coldhands. He was a skinchanger that was somehow able to regain control of his body either after being killed and unsuccessfully wighted or he was able to overcome the power that was attempting to control his wighted body.
You might be right, but all I know is that he never refers to BR as anything other than Kurtz and CH as The Russian. Bran's journey to the cave is perpetually referred to as his journey into the heart of darkness. I'm all for comparisons. They can certainly be enlightening. However, I doubt that any comparison will be as 1:1 as has been implied.
Aug 23, 2015 4:33:00 GMT Mojo said:
All they do is babble on about making it to the 3EC, how he'll fly and shit.I completely agree. And I think we could even prematurely assume Coldhands is a Stark.
I'm sure that the bodies could have been posed, but I'm pretty sure that they weren't. What purpose would it serve? Plus, at this point, it is still daylight. I don't believe that the Others currently have the ability to take corporeal form while the sun is still in the sky. It seems to me that the cold might just have come upon the wildings quite quickly, not giving them the chance to react. They just die where they had been resting, and as night has not yet fallen, they have not been reanimated as of yet. They didn't have enough reaction time to take shelter or even go for their weapons.
These ironwoods keep popping up everywhere. For quite some time now, I've been wondering this exact same thing. I haven't discovered anything for sure about the leaves as of yet, but it does appear that the wood of the ironwood is indeed black, at least the wood of the stump in chapter 1 certainly is.
I myself tend to wonder if Waymar isn't just quite confused about now. He strikes me as actually being fairly observant, but right about now, the pieces aren't adding up correctly at all. The only logical reason for the scene as laid out by Will to be true would in fact be if the wildings did indeed freeze to death. However, he also knows that it hasn't been cold enough for that to happen. I think the fact that he adjusts his cloak shows that he's attempting to see if it might not be colder than he believes it to be. The whole thing makes no sense. He might just be feeling a whole lot less casual than he appears.
Waymar is certainly casual, but in any case, it's hard to take orders from a sable-skinned man you laugh at in your cups.
These stupid ironwoods are driving me insane. Do you realize how often they are mentioned, at least in the first couple of chapters, once you start paying attention? I keep thinking that it matters for some unknown reason, but I'm probably just not able to see the forest for the trees anymore.
We're almost to that point, but, yes, when Will and Waymar get back to the camp, all of the wildings have disappeared. Now, don't forget that it was daylight when Will first found them, and night had fallen by the time they return. In the book, the dead wildings disappear without further mention. If I'm remembering correctly, in the show they stick around and one of them attacks Will and Gared after Waymar is killed.
I'm due for a rewatch.
lol. I'm not sure that everyone sees it that way. To me, Othor and Jafer had already been raised as wights as their eyes were already blue by the time they were found. They were just "dormant" until after dark when they could escape and attack. However, I've seen plenty of discussion revolving around how they could have risen on the South side of the wall. I'm still not 100% convinced that the wall blocks warging, etc. First, due to Orell's eagle, but also because I believe that Bran was still in Winterfell's crypts when he reached out to Jon on his ranging to get him to see through Ghost. But then again, maybe that was why Bran appeared to Jon as a weirwood tree. If I ever get around to a reread I'll have a million things to be looking out for.
I don't think that Wall was only built to stop wargs, but that does seem to have been a primary function.
Othor and Jafer do not rise until south of the Wall, but I think they had already risen and traveled to that grove by night - as wights. Agreed regarding the eye-color... I think it's an artifact of wightification.
Aug 23, 2015 9:21:42 GMT @morrigansraven said:
The Cold gets in you. wolfmaid7 used this paragraph when she first discussed her theory of the weaponized cold that carried the misty currents of the unembodied Others' magick around the story. By now, I'm so thoroughly convinced that she nailed it. And then comes twilight & darkness. There must be a moon out, for the men to see by, right? Now, rather than a higher class of Others, she places corrupted greenseers at the top of the hierarchy. Again, don't ask me why. It's beyond me.
::frustrated::
Kidding wolfmaid
Aug 23, 2015 9:28:28 GMT @morrigansraven said:
The Wall only seems to interrupt warging & wighting on the surface, because the eagle can fly over and still see, and Bran can go thru the roots to Winterfell and still see, right? In any case, it seems the Wall did nothing to stop Bran from looking south, beyond it. Nor, did it stop Bran and the 3EC from looking north and north and north beyond it from Winterfell.
It does seem Ghost was detached from Jon while the Wall stood between them, however. Might Ghost be unique in that he can detach himself from his familiar? Or, did the Wall cause the separation?