Rhaegar + Ashara = Jon

Agreed. Are you thinking Dany?

I'm not 100% sure what to think about that. I honestly would suspect that something was going on either prior to, or started at Harrenhall. But that would be way too old to be Dany. The only other person that would seem halfway probable is Allyria. Unless we go totally off the rails and assume that this either relationship or rape as the case may be went on for an extended period of time and maybe Dany was a second pregnancy?

We all know there is a missing piece (at least one if not more) in the whole Lyanna abduction scenario. I've been inclined for some time now to think that piece might be Aerys. I feel like I'm starting to get the puzzle pieces in some semblance of order in my mind, but I'm not positive they actually fit together where I'm putting them or if I've just created a couple extra pieces to make it work. I haven't done a full reread recently and sometimes wonder if my instincts are being influenced by the works themselves or other forum members ideas and theories. If it's the later I may have enough ideas to write my own book by the time this is all over.

Btw. Two things...

Do you know what's going on with the chapter one reread? Is WP just swamped as of late or have you all abandoned it? I did post the next couple paragraphs to try to be helpful, but haven't gotten back to say anything about them. Excited to look at them , though, because it's after the execution when it's colder and the wind stops.

I'm also trying to motivate myself back into a reread so I opened a file for the prologue and posted the first couple paragraphs of text. I'd really like to do it the way you all started chapter one and look at some of the parallels in the two. There is just so much in there. Any interest? I really enjoy hearing your take on things...

Some very nice quotes from markg171! Does make a nice case for Dany being Rhaegar's. I was originally more inclined to link Ashara to Aerys, with Rhaegar as a second choice, but I think looking at these quotes, I'm inclined to reverse that opinion.  Also, I would think that the whole baby swap thing with Gilly wasn't the first time something like this occurred.  This is possibly another example, and, as much as I hate to admit it, might give credence to the whole "lemongate" thing.

If something like this did happen, it could tie into several of the threads currently going on this board.  I'm getting little pieces of it from each of them, especially the Harrenhall tournament, the HotU reread and the William Darry threads.  I'm willing to bet that both Jon and Dany's identities are tied up with one another.  I'm also wondering if Dany might not be the result of a second pregnancy for Ashara?

I keep thinking that Ashara was raped while Arthur was forced to turn a blind eye.  She confided everything in Ned.  As a threat to keep the Starks silent, he crowned Lyanna QoLaB.  Aerys knew that Rhaegar was involved with someone and when Rhaegar crowned Lyanna, Aerys assumed that it was her.  Fast forward a little bit and now Aerys is trying to find leverage over Rhaegar, remembers the crowning and thinks that if he takes Lyanna, he can use her to have a hold over Rhaegar.  Rhaegar, being the overly chivalrous guy he is takes off to find Lyanna before the whole thing blows up.  However, Brandon, who was not aware of the whole Ashara thing, didn't realize the significance of the crowning and really thought that the 22 year old pervert was truly after his 14 year old sister, hence, slight overreaction. By the time Rhaegar actually finds Lyanna, the whole thing has already blown up.  Benjen may have been aware and not shared this information with his father and brother, leading to his sense of guilt over the whole thing.  It would explain why it was so easy for Hightower to find Rhaegar.  Aerys would certainly know where he had ordered Lyanna taken.  It would explain why Aerys was so concerned about the Dornish turning against them. Maybe they were all hidden at Starfall with a pregnant Ashara. Could be that Viserys was there at some point too?  Lots of loose ends and threads might just be able to be tied into a big old Dornish bow?  But, I'm starting to ramble now, even more than usual...

I think we've all been pretty distracted lately. Lately, I've felt like a little kid at Christmas with all these great topics.  Seems like there's always something new and shiny right around the corner.  And they all seem to tie into one another! I opened the prologue thread and still haven't had a chance to do anything with it.  I hope to at least do a quick read through tonight.

I'm excited about that one too, but have I even cracked a book to look at it?  No, of course not...  ::freakout::

Not to make excuses, but, it could have something to do with the fact that my head has felt like  ::headsmash:: all week too...

I've been wondering the same. Well, not exactly. But that Red Door sure sounds like Red Dorne. And the lemon tree. And Ashara's suicide is hard to understand in any scenario. Maybe it has always been a Star Wars revelation on the horizon.


In terms of Jon's birth, all roads lead to Starfall. For me at least. As much as I like the idea of Jon=Stark+Dayne, there has to be another Dragonhead rolling around somewhere. Mayhaps it's this crackpot? Or A+J=T?


Ah. I see....


Uh huh... Apparently I'm the only one actually reading this chapter! LOL

Aerys+Lyanna=Dany and/or Jon is still kicking as well...