I'm pretty sure D&D didn't know what to do with their ballistas. They were amazingly accurate when D&D wanted to remove Rhaegal. But quite ineffective when Drogo has to burn the whole city. There's no continuity.
Euron and his story line : A complete nonsense & bad writing to the end. Bravo to D&D who have been rather constant with him.
I didn't know Jaime has 100l of blood, can climb so many stairs with critical wounds to the chest and can still breath/speak properly.
From a story line point of view, I don't understand what the purpose of all Arya's scenes. Specially the last one. There is this article : screenrant.com/game-thrones-arya-white-horse-meaning/ but it seems a little bit farfetched and over analyzed. That's not D&D's trademark.
I know I shouldn't let these guys confuse me--but I'm actually confused.
*slams thick book on table* It's a reference to Revelations, either way. Either you can see it as "death riding a pale horse" or "Christ riding a white horse".
Death's pale horse:
8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
It's Christian Apocalyptic Imagery either way. Old as the stones.
Welp--since they've established that Jon is a highly ineffective Jesus, gotta think this means Arya is a moderately effective "Death."
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
He is realizing he helped her get to where she is right now! Good fooking job, Jon!
Yes--I've started thinking we may get an ending of "atonement."
That the unnatural seasons can never be reversed, only atoned for and dealt with. That it's all just too broken.
Would make sense therefore that Jon returns to the Wall, with a "dream" of spring--hoping someday to know how to fix this mess.
Though why on earth he's a Targ or why he was resurrected or why they bothered with all the greyscale--that's all still pointless.
But if there's no "ending" the Night King--that I could buy.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
There is no longer any doubt about it: this WILL go down as THE worst ending in television history. Period.
Which is a shame--I think they got closer to the actual story this episode--with Dany's embracing the dragon and her ability for absolute power.
They seem to be getting back to Martin's intent. If they'd set it up a bit better--this could be a really good, bittersweet, painful ending.
That said--I liked parts of this a lot. Annoyed by some things (why bother with the golden company ant all? And why not just roast Euron outright? Just because that actor and Nikolai are friends and wanted a scene together? No idea).
But I liked a lot. Just thought all the burning went on way too long.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
OK, I must admit: At this point, I don´t really care how they wrap this. The nerd rage surrounding the show is WAY MORE entertaining by now.
Indeed, I haven't cared for several seasons. Its just wonderful that everyone except the shills are finally coming around to how bad it has become. This train wreck has been amazing.
Ok I’m not reading the thread, I’m at the airport and trying to watch and it’s hard. Too many distractions. Why was Varys burned? Can someone just reply to this and not say the rest? Thanks so much
Just sitting down to watch it now. Is it bad that I went to go see two movies at a cinema instead of watching live? That says something shouldn't it? For the curious: Detective Pikachu & Tolkien.
Honestly, halfway through, and I still don't see anything wrong. Dany was always going to go "mad" that was telegraphed back in AGOT right after Viserys died. The chapter after that death has her for the first time thinking of taking the throne for herself and she comes across as mad. I never really understood the Daenerys love people have for her character, that chapter did it in for me.
I fully believe the Mad Queen Dany theory. As always the problem with the show is the execution of the idea. I think people just love shouts "YAS QUEEN" at Dany, whatever that means.
Darkstar will be the next Vulture King.
Craster has 19 daughters and there are 19 castles on the Wall, coincidence I think not!
I don't know if I will list everything on my list, but try to hit larger themes right now. I think that people are going to be very upset with Dany's arc. But it didn't surprise me, although I think that the show might have revved it up at the end, so people will think it's out of the blue, just like Arya trampolining into the Night King. But Dany's ability to be both cruel and unforgiving has been on display many times. And on my second watch, I am convinced this was always her plan. It seemed prearranged between her and Grey Worm, and that little nod to Grey Worm when Tyrion mentioned calling off the attack if the city rang their bells, seemed like something to pacify Tyrion in that moment, and not a true intention. I think the name of the episode is stupid!!! I am not sure if it's supposed to be a call back of the Battle of the Bells in the revolution, which of course was a rallying cry for the rebel forces and lead to a Targaryen defeat. Here, we have bells supposedly driving Dany bonkers, but that makes no sense to me. In the books, I see her having quite a few bell connections, but that has never been something the show has focused on.
It's amazing how many people didn't see this coming. Granted I figured she would unleash the dragon just not on innocents. Its funny that she has burned down her city and castle.
Still image this episode that ended with Dany flying up to Cersei with Drogon and saying Dracarys.
Still, I can see Dany not having sympathy on soldiers, even if they surrendered, and I think that would have been enough, but what is her beef wit the small folk? Because they didn't rise up like the people in Essos did. A huge difference is those people in Essos were all slaves, and these are free citizens, even if they don't have much of a choice. She never even gave the small folk a message to pick up arms to fight against Cersei. If this has been written or conveyed, then I can see her anger in their refusal to help themselves, but what they showed was just Dany slaughtering people, which does damage the fact that she does have good in her, even with the cruel streak. It just could have been done so much better.
Yup the execution of the small folks makes no sense. Now the Mother of Monsters and everything Cersei's propoganda has been proven true by Dany.
I can even see her destroying the Red Keep and the civilians in it, but why the whole city on the way to the Red Keep. Just senseless carnage, and that also doesn't really fit Dany's past story very well.
Speaking of Dany, the Dothraki and the Unsullied! Did they all drink some bad kool-aid? Something that made them rampaging demons? How much of that kool-aid did Drogon get???
She and Grey Worm planned on doing it. That much is obvious to me. Still LOL at Jon losing control, guess he isn't that great of a leader after all.
Varys. Just a bit on Varys. Was he trying to poison Dany? Was that what the kitchen girl was about? Why was Dany more upset with Varys than Tyrion? How many chances does Tyrion get, honestly! And for her to claim that Jon Snow betrayed her in this is laughable! Shit writing. So, Varys, before his death, writes a letter he hides and then writes a message he burns. Then, before it's burned completely, he puts in in a container with a lid, which would smother the fire, so leaving some remaining message behind. If you know you are caught, why even try to hide things? And why did he take his rings off? Makes no sense to me. Did not like how Jon handled this scene of Varys death at all, or Tyrion. It seems that Jorah was the only person who could talk some sense into Dany.
I have hear the idea that he was trying to poison Dany. Makes sense. Saint Tyrion gets all the chances we can't kill everyone's favorite dwarf for his numerous mistakes. Or Jon Snow or Arya Stark the T-1000. There plot armor is literally over 9000.
Drogon. Okay, so tired of this dragon fire that is like a superpowered laser beam. It's like the Death Star bolt that blew up Alderaan, for shits sake!!! It can be aimed within inches, since no one else was even singed when Varys burned. It's obviously hot, and has the strength to blow apart city gates and stone walls. If Aegon I knew that, it was silly of him to just blast Harrenhal until it melted a bit, he should have just blew it into the Gods Eye with his laser beam dragon fire. And at some point, I literally thought, "Doesn't Drogon need to be recharged for a bit?" I wish my phone could go on and on like that.
Dragonfire is as strong/weak as the plot demands it. Takes out the Wall. Destroys lesser walls but becomes as strong as piss when Jon Snow hides behind a rock so he can YEET at a dragon.
Tyrion is not so smart, again! His trust in Dany is either blind or he is just stupid. Although, I thought how Peter Dinklage played that moment when Dany started burning the city was a brilliant. Shocked, horrified, vulnerable! Still, the Jaime/Tyrion stuff I was ambivalent about, and how easy it was for Jaime to escape was laughable. So, nothing in that Bronn scene from the previous episode (which I hated, btw) mattered at all, so it was just pointless filler to give Jerome Flynn some screen time in what seemed like a Tarantino type of rant. And there was absolutely no reason for Tyrion to throw Varys under the bus! Asshole!
Tyrion lost his smarts several seasons ago. We just get people telling us how smart he is instead of showing it. Jaime/Tyrion was great stuff.
Can't wait to see LP Bronn next episodes, unless the Lannisters forget how to pay their debts.
I feel like this whole final season seems rushed and lacks cohesion. Got a soap opera episode and a "Vietnam" movie in the same season. Wonder if we'll see Yara and Brienne in the final episode. I do admit, I did tear-up during Tyrion and Jaime's "good-bye" scene...
Rushed is an understatement. I wonder who else we will see or not see. New prince of Dorne, Bronn, Gendry, Sweetrobin, Edmure etc.
Shills will be shills. There are several youtubers I have lost a lot of respect for over the past weeks due to there insistance that the show is still good. Fuck sake pick a better hill to die on.
I'm pretty sure D&D didn't know what to do with their ballistas. They were amazingly accurate when D&D wanted to remove Rhaegal. But quite ineffective when Drogo has to burn the whole city. There's no continuity.
OP one episode and useless next episode typical D&D writing.
Euron and his story line : A complete nonsense & bad writing to the end. Bravo to D&D who have been rather constant with him.
Oh Gods yes. I can't wait to see what Cthulu inspired craziness he gets up into in the books.
Whilst Euron can inspire terror in the books, the choice of actor in the series reminds me more of Paddington Bear.
From the beginning, it never made any sense to me.
"Arya did not dare take a bath, even though she smelled as bad as Yoren by now, all sour and stinky. Some of the creatures living in her clothes had come all the way from Flea Bottom with her; it didn’t seem right to drown them."
Just keep in mind: This will be the only closure you´ll get...and it will be canon, for better or worse. Gotta get Fatboy back to that cabin reeeally quick!
so much wrong, such horrible writing, and the lack of continuity just killed it for me. outside Dorne, worst episode in a long list of bad episodes. I don't care to examine it further.
It really shows that the dumb and dumber braintrust really didn't give 2 shits about the story. They just wanted to shoot 'Baelor' and the red wedding for the shocking moments TM.
Whilst Euron can inspire terror in the books, the choice of actor in the series reminds me more of Paddington Bear.
From the beginning, it never made any sense to me.
He was cool on the bridge with Balon.
But the Kingsmoot was oddly boring--given how it goes in the books, that seemed really odd.
"1000 ships and two good hands" was a great line. But he really doesn't have anything like the horror he has in the books. Which is odd--D&D rarely hold back on gore.
Just tried to do a rewatch. After 15minites turned it off. So sad.
It got tedious for me during the Long Burning (vs. the Long Night).
I do like freaked out paranoid Dany better than calm, collected Dany, though.
Emilia is really good with bubbly, high energy expression. The sedate queen is really hard for her--and hard for me to watch--like watching pain dry in slow motion.
But watching her freak out--it wasn't as good as Olenna's acting. But I finally enjoyed watching Emilia.
And now she's going to die, because that's just how things work.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.