I actually thought Sara Snow was a bastard daughter, sister makes more sense, and Sarra will be named after her aunt, then Mushrooms gossip doesn't seem that ott to me.
It is said that Cregan was quite upset to hear that his half-sister slept with Jace Velaryon but Sara is said to have calmed her brother by reporting that she and Jace said marriage vows in the godswood, before the heart tree. I can't decide if this is supposed to be a nod to RLJ or if it's GRRM mocking RLJ. But I do find it interesting that Cregan would be so upset about his bastard sister's sexual activities unless she was quite young or perhaps he had designs on her himself. I know that sounds creepy, but once I started to see some incest possibilities in the Stark family, I seem to see the potential for them every where.
For the same reason, I wonder if the reason that Torrhen Stark's son's were so upset that their sister was to marry Ronnel Arryn from the Vale was because they lost the potential to marry her themselves. It's like I am stuck in some sick vortex of thoughts that I can't escape from...
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
I actually thought Sara Snow was a bastard daughter, sister makes more sense, and Sarra will be named after her aunt, then Mushrooms gossip doesn't seem that ott to me.
It is said that Cregan was quite upset to hear that his half-sister slept with Jace Velaryon but Sara is said to have calmed her brother by reporting that she and Jace said marriage vows in the godswood, before the heart tree. I can't decide if this is supposed to be a nod to RLJ or if it's GRRM mocking RLJ. But I do find it interesting that Cregan would be so upset about his bastard sister's sexual activities unless she was quite young or perhaps he had designs on her himself. I know that sounds creepy, but once I started to see some incest possibilities in the Stark family, I seem to see the potential for them every where.
For the same reason, I wonder if the reason that Torrhen Stark's son's were so upset that their sister was to marry Ronnel Arryn from the Vale was because they lost the potential to marry her themselves. It's like I am stuck in some sick vortex of thoughts that I can't escape from...
Tell me about it! I actually think if it is possible Margaery to have an incestous relationship with her brother Willas. I actually don't think incest is only a Targaryen thing in our story. What about Alarra Stark then daughter of Alaric? Any potential there?
Tell me about it! I actually think if it is possible Margaery to have an incestous relationship with her brother Willas. I actually don't think incest is only a Targaryen thing in our story. What about Alarra Stark then daughter of Alaric? Any potential there?
I guess I have thought of Margaery and Loras as having more hints, but with him being gay or bi, and seeming to truly mourn Renly, that might not be so. I had not considered Willas, but Willas is the heir to the house and does remain unmarried, when his younger brother Garlan already has a wife. I am not sure how that works with Mace's interest in making his daughter a queen.
As to Alarra Stark and her brothers, we don't know much, but she did serve as Alysanne's lady in waiting for some time and there is mention of her brother's being at a tournament held in honor of Jaehaerys' reign. So these siblings are often listed as being located close to one another. I always think it's unusual when we get some hints of Stark son's and daughter's but the story is left vague enough not to list a name for any or many of them.
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
Tell me about it! I actually think if it is possible Margaery to have an incestous relationship with her brother Willas. I actually don't think incest is only a Targaryen thing in our story. What about Alarra Stark then daughter of Alaric? Any potential there?
I guess I have thought of Margaery and Loras as having more hints, but with him being gay or bi, and seeming to truly mourn Renly, that might not be so. I had not considered Willas, but Willas is the heir to the house and does remain unmarried, when his younger brother Garlan already has a wife. I am not sure how that works with Mace's interest in making his daughter a queen.
As to Alarra Stark and her brothers, we don't know much, but she did serve as Alysanne's lady in waiting for some time and there is mention of her brother's being at a tournament held in honor of Jaehaerys' reign. So these siblings are often listed as being located close to one another. I always think it's unusual when we get some hints of Stark son's and daughter's but the story is left vague enough not to list a name for any or many of them.
Maybe Mace trying to seperate Willas and Margaery? Yeah, when it comes to Starkcest, things are vague though NK, Bael, Lyanna are all have hints to that. Off topic-ish but I actually think Euron molested Victarion too, Vic thinks Euron's nakedness is obsence, says rape can be stop with knife to his ex-maester, and when he looks at Dusky Woman he remembers the time Euron brought him to a brothel to lose his virginity with a whore, these are not strong hints like Aeron's but they are there for me to speculate on the subject.
Maybe Mace trying to seperate Willas and Margaery? Yeah, when it comes to Starkcest, things are vague though NK, Bael, Lyanna are all have hints to that. Off topic-ish but I actually think Euron molested Victarion too, Vic thinks Euron's nakedness is obsence, says rape can be stop with knife to his ex-maester, and when he looks at Dusky Woman he remembers the time Euron brought him to a brothel to lose his virginity with a whore, these are not strong hints like Aeron's but they are there for me to speculate on the subject.
It's possible that Mace could be trying to separate Marg from one of her brothers, but isn't she kept at Highgarden until her marriage to Renly? I think Renly marries her there and then is also declared king while at Highgarden. However, as to Marg and Willis, we are told that Willis and Marg were close as children, and that Willis often spent time with his younger sister and read her stories and talked of the stars. I find that connection to the star's interesting, since I tend to associate star's with the Dayne's. And Quaithe. Although this could be a nod to having a Hightower as a mother? The light/beacon on top of the Hightower might burn like a single star.
I am not on board with Euron molesting Aeron, so I doubt it for Victarion, either. I think what Euron did to his brothers was mental and not physical. I think he was forcing himself into his little brothers minds, much like Bran does with Hodor. It could still be considered rape, just not in a sexual way.
As to Euron being naked in the room with Victarion, I always felt like Euron does this to both show confidence as well as make Victarion uncomfortable. I am a nurse, and I see a lot of naked people, but if you are giving someone a shower or helping them dress, this is normal. If they are sitting in a chair eating breakfast or waking out to the nurses station, this does not feel normal. Euron is naked and flaunting it at a time that doesn't make sense. Although he does cover himself with his cloak, as if to acknowledge that he knows he has made Victarion uncomfortable.
I have wondered if one of the reason's that the Bael story sprung up is because the Stark lord got a child on his daughter, like Craster does with his. I think sibling incest might have been accepted or at least tolerated at some point in the north, but not parent/child incest. That seems like a darker, deeper level of taboo. But the Stark lord needed a Stark Stark child, and this was his only option for getting one. Hard to say if the Stark maid was willing or forced. If you are raped in the darkness, you might not know who is forcing themself upon you? Even if it's seduction, you might not know who holds you.
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
Maybe Mace trying to seperate Willas and Margaery? Yeah, when it comes to Starkcest, things are vague though NK, Bael, Lyanna are all have hints to that. Off topic-ish but I actually think Euron molested Victarion too, Vic thinks Euron's nakedness is obsence, says rape can be stop with knife to his ex-maester, and when he looks at Dusky Woman he remembers the time Euron brought him to a brothel to lose his virginity with a whore, these are not strong hints like Aeron's but they are there for me to speculate on the subject.
It's possible that Mace could be trying to separate Marg from one of her brothers, but isn't she kept at Highgarden until her marriage to Renly? I think Renly marries her there and then is also declared king while at Highgarden. However, as to Marg and Willis, we are told that Willis and Marg were close as children, and that Willis often spent time with his younger sister and read her stories and talked of the stars. I find that connection to the star's interesting, since I tend to associate star's with the Dayne's. And Quaithe. Although this could be a nod to having a Hightower as a mother? The light/beacon on top of the Hightower might burn like a single star.
I am not on board with Euron molesting Aeron, so I doubt it for Victarion, either. I think what Euron did to his brothers was mental and not physical. I think he was forcing himself into his little brothers minds, much like Bran does with Hodor. It could still be considered rape, just not in a sexual way.
As to Euron being naked in the room with Victarion, I always felt like Euron does this to both show confidence as well as make Victarion uncomfortable. I am a nurse, and I see a lot of naked people, but if you are giving someone a shower or helping them dress, this is normal. If they are sitting in a chair eating breakfast or waking out to the nurses station, this does not feel normal. Euron is naked and flaunting it at a time that doesn't make sense. Although he does cover himself with his cloak, as if to acknowledge that he knows he has made Victarion uncomfortable.
I have wondered if one of the reason's that the Bael story sprung up is because the Stark lord got a child on his daughter, like Craster does with his. I think sibling incest might have been accepted or at least tolerated at some point in the north, but not parent/child incest. That seems like a darker, deeper level of taboo. But the Stark lord needed a Stark Stark child, and this was his only option for getting one. Hard to say if the Stark maid was willing or forced. If you are raped in the darkness, you might not know who is forcing themself upon you? Even if it's seduction, you might not know who holds you.
Oh my so Willas and Margaery are indeed close, I wonder if Lyanna would be that close with Ned if he wasn't at Vale or maybe she was close to Brandon. Can we search for parallels between Tyrell siblings or Stark siblings?
I think Euron is capable of human warging and molested his brothers equally.
As for Stark lord and daughter, would any of Stark brothers turn to incest to continue their line in our story?
Oh my so Willas and Margaery are indeed close, I wonder if Lyanna would be that close with Ned if he wasn't at Vale or maybe she was close to Brandon. Can we search for parallels between Tyrell siblings or Stark siblings?
I think Euron is capable of human warging and molested his brothers equally.
As for Stark lord and daughter, would any of Stark brothers turn to incest to continue their line in our story?
As to the Stark's and Tyrell's, I guess the obvious comparison is the hint that Marg may look like Lyanna, but Ned poo poo's that idea, and doesn't see the resemblance that Renly is hoping for. As for the rest of the Stark brothers and the Tyrell brothers, I don't see any obvious parallel's but I could certainly be missing something.
I heard an idea several years ago that Ned being sent to the Vale at a young age might be a mirror for Jaime and Cersei being separated by their mother, and it kind of stuck with me. Maybe there was a reason that Ned, of all the brothers, was sent far away from Winterfell. But there are also hints that Lyanna and Brandon are a bit wild and might have been close. I could see both Brandon or Ned being a possible partner for Lyanna. And if so, was it intentional to birth a prophecy baby or completely accidental and related to lust? Would it have been a Stark brother pushing for the continuation of their line, or would it be the Stark maids in the story, such as Lyanna. Would she have seduced her brother to have a child, like I suspect Daena the Defiant did with Maegor.
I just don't see the Euron incest angle myself, but I know it's a popular idea with many fans. The mind rape, I buy.
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
Oh my so Willas and Margaery are indeed close, I wonder if Lyanna would be that close with Ned if he wasn't at Vale or maybe she was close to Brandon. Can we search for parallels between Tyrell siblings or Stark siblings?
I think Euron is capable of human warging and molested his brothers equally.
As for Stark lord and daughter, would any of Stark brothers turn to incest to continue their line in our story?
As to the Stark's and Tyrell's, I guess the obvious comparison is the hint that Marg may look like Lyanna, but Ned poo poo's that idea, and doesn't see the resemblance that Renly is hoping for. As for the rest of the Stark brothers and the Tyrell brothers, I don't see any obvious parallel's but I could certainly be missing something.
I heard an idea several years ago that Ned being sent to the Vale at a young age might be a mirror for Jaime and Cersei being separated by their mother, and it kind of stuck with me. Maybe there was a reason that Ned, of all the brothers, was sent far away from Winterfell. But there are also hints that Lyanna and Brandon are a bit wild and might have been close. I could see both Brandon or Ned being a possible partner for Lyanna. And if so, was it intentional to birth a prophecy baby or completely accidental and related to lust? Would it have been a Stark brother pushing for the continuation of their line, or would it be the Stark maids in the story, such as Lyanna. Would she have seduced her brother to have a child, like I suspect Daena the Defiant did with Maegor.
I just don't see the Euron incest angle myself, but I know it's a popular idea with many fans. The mind rape, I buy.
Starks and Tyrells are both four siblings, one daughter and three sons, eldest son is not married, while the second son is, and youngest brother is part of a group that requiers vows of celibacy, and only daughters are considered viwes for Robert Baratheon? There is also the skinchanging angle, Olenna's husband died while hawking and Haggon claims those who skinchange birds watch the sky even when they are on their on skins.
Starks and Tyrells are both four siblings, one daughter and three sons, eldest son is not married, while the second son is, and youngest brother is part of a group that requiers vows of celibacy, and only daughters are considered viwes for Robert Baratheon? There is also the skinchanging angle, Olenna's husband died while hawking and Haggon claims those who skinchange birds watch the sky even when they are on their on skins.
3 + 1 as far as girls and boys, but in a different order. The Stark's have a dead mother and a living father, while the Tyrell's have both parents living. Yes, Benjen and Loras do end up in organizations that take vows of celibacy as well as a life long vow, but Loras seems to be put into place to protect his sister, who they all think will be queen. It's family driven protection for Marg. Garlan is married and Ned ends up married, so that could be a parallel, and Garlen seems like a decent human, which I strongly believe Eddard was too.
I do wonder about Marg and Lyanna in possible parallelor inversion, though. Marg three times wed and supposedly still a maid. Lyanna never wed as far as we know, but could that indicate she was thrice bedded, if looking at inversions.
The stuff about Olenna's husband and his hawking accident could indicate he is skin-changer who might have been in the head of his bird, or it might indicate that someone skin-changed him or his horse and caused them to go over that cliff. Because honestly, horses don't just willingly ride off of cliffs related to the disattention of their rider, they would need to be prompted or harried. Horses are very smart as well as cautious, so the behavior seems more odd for the horse than the rider. If you ask me, the horse was distracted, not Luthor Tyrell. Now, if Luthor had been standing and staring at the sky, while a horse ran him down, I would think it was Luthor's lack of attention that caused that problem.
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
Starks and Tyrells are both four siblings, one daughter and three sons, eldest son is not married, while the second son is, and youngest brother is part of a group that requiers vows of celibacy, and only daughters are considered viwes for Robert Baratheon? There is also the skinchanging angle, Olenna's husband died while hawking and Haggon claims those who skinchange birds watch the sky even when they are on their on skins.
3 + 1 as far as girls and boys, but in a different order. The Stark's have a dead mother and a living father, while the Tyrell's have both parents living. Yes, Benjen and Loras do end up in organizations that take vows of celibacy as well as a life long vow, but Loras seems to be put into place to protect his sister, who they all think will be queen. It's family driven protection for Marg. Garlan is married and Ned ends up married, so that could be a parallel, and Garlen seems like a decent human, which I strongly believe Eddard was too.
I do wonder about Marg and Lyanna in possible parallelor inversion, though. Marg three times wed and supposedly still a maid. Lyanna never wed as far as we know, but could that indicate she was thrice bedded, if looking at inversions.
The stuff about Olenna's husband and his hawking accident could indicate he is skin-changer who might have been in the head of his bird, or it might indicate that someone skin-changed him or his horse and caused them to go over that cliff. Because honestly, horses don't just willingly ride off of cliffs related to the disattention of their rider, they would need to be prompted or harried. Horses are very smart as well as cautious, so the behavior seems more odd for the horse than the rider. If you ask me, the horse was distracted, not Luthor Tyrell. Now, if Luthor had been standing and staring at the sky, while a horse ran him down, I would think it was Luthor's lack of attention that caused that problem.
Thrice bedded ahaha, Eddard, Arthur, Howland?? Yeah Luthor Tyrells death is suspicious, and his name is same as a DC villains?
Yeah Luthor Tyrells death is suspicious, and his name is same as a DC villains?
Ah, the archenemy of Superman! Honestly I don't know if that could relate to GRRM's intent with Luthor Tyrell, but he is a fan of the comic's, so maybe.
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
Yeah Luthor Tyrells death is suspicious, and his name is same as a DC villains?
Ah, the archenemy of Superman! Honestly I don't know if that could relate to GRRM's intent with Luthor Tyrell, but he is a fan of the comic's, so maybe.
Maybe two brothers and one father? Who would be Superman of ASOIAF for you?
Maybe two brothers and one father? Who would be Superman of ASOIAF for you?
I have never thought about that and still can't come up with an answer, although I have come across people who see many parallel's between this story and comic books. but Luthor is a name that is used three times in the Tyrell family. And it's hard to say what GRRM's intent might be will all of this, or if a name is just a name. I think of Superman as squeaky clean, not nearly as fun as batman, so if Superman exists in this story, he is probably squeaky and has only one weakness, which is Kryptonite.
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
Maybe two brothers and one father? Who would be Superman of ASOIAF for you?
I have never thought about that and still can't come up with an answer, although I have come across people who see many parallel's between this story and comic books. but Luthor is a name that is used three times in the Tyrell family. And it's hard to say what GRRM's intent might be will all of this, or if a name is just a name. I think of Superman as squeaky clean, not nearly as fun as batman, so if Superman exists in this story, he is probably squeaky and has only one weakness, which is Kryptonite.
Don't laugh but I immediately thought of Others, mae of pure ice and only weaknesses are dragonglass and dawn, could they be from the moon that cracked and are essentially had to live in on foreign land? And one question about broken sword with sapphires given to Jon, I know people say the sword is Waymard's although his sword is shattered, could the broken sword be Dark Sister instead? Taken to North by Bloodraven but was lost to him during his encounter with Children/Coldhands?
Don't laugh but I immediately thought of Others, mae of pure ice and only weaknesses are dragonglass and dawn, could they be from the moon that cracked and are essentially had to live in on foreign land? And one question about broken sword with sapphires given to Jon, I know people say the sword is Waymard's although his sword is shattered, could the broken sword be Dark Sister instead? Taken to North by Bloodraven but was lost to him during his encounter with Children/Coldhands?
I will never laugh at any idea because I am capable of wild amounts of tinfoil, and think all of it can be considered on some level.
I do think the Other's could be a race that is nearly invincible except for one item, or at least source of power. We are given the impression that the Other's fear Valyrian steel (when they are looking over Waymar's sword) but his sword is not Valyrian, therefore they don't fear his weapon. That makes sense. What we do see they are vulnerable to is obsidian, which Samwell uses to kill on of the Other's with. Or at least he melts him with it. So, is Valyrian steel made with Obsidian? I don't think GRRM has denied that, although he has denied that Valyrian steel is made with dragonbone. Maybe obsidian will be the only major weakness of the Other's and it won't apply to a man-made blade at all. But I can see the Other's as this type of race, I just don't know how Luthor Tyrell, or any of the Luthor Tyrell's in the story work out to be their archenemies.
Besides obsidian being able to melt/steam an Other, we are also told from one of Old Nan's tales that they hate iron, and I think that could turn out to be important too. But we have seen what obsidian can do to them, and I can see that they would be cautious around it.
I myself think that sword hilt with the sapphires is probably Waymar's sword. Waymar's sword hilt is noted to have jewels, although they are not described in prologue specifically. As to Dark Sister, I would be surprised if a Targaryen sword would have three sapphires in the hilt. Usually that family is associated with rubies, such as in Aegon I's crown. And it would be Valyrian steel, so it would be very difficult for it to shatter, unlike Waymar's blade that shattered after several touches from the blade of the Other's.
There is the idea that Dark Sister must still be at the wall or north of the wall. Years and years ago, I wondered if it could have been Longclaw, but Longclaw is a bastard sized blade, and we have come to get information telling us that Dark Sister is a long sword that is slender enough for a woman to wield. Now, Dark Sister might be in Bloodraven's cave. I think it could still pop up there, but I don't think it would have sapphires, but I could be wrong about that. After all, some of the Targaryen's have bright blue eyes, which could be something they tried to emulate in that sword hilt. Back to Bloodraven's cave. Meera is there and is working on her sword work. She has Rickard's iron crypt sword but in the Bran chapter where they each took swords, it says she thinks it's to heavy, so a Valyrian steel light-ish sword might fit her perfectly. If she finds it. And she might.
Now, Blackfyre is another interesting Targaryen sword. At one point it was described as a great sword, then a long sword, but currently the wiki-describes is as a hand and a half sword. They don't have the reference for that clearly shown, so I am not sure where that information comes from. I have never seen it in the text of any of the published books, but I might have missed it. If it's true, that would be interesting, since Longclaw would also fit that size. But then that means Jeor Mormont flat out lied about the swords history. Which he might have, though! Still, it makes more sense to me that Blackfyre is in Essos, or perhaps now belongs to Young Griff/Aegon, or will soon, just because of the Golden Company's connection to that sword and the Blackfyre cause.
Rolly Duckfield wields a bastard sword but if it's Valyrian steel and Tyrion didn't notice that, I would be shocked.
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.