Tywin would send the mother away from Rock or even Westerlands, I don't think Joy knew Gerion but might learn Gerion was kind to his nephews and nieces and might be sad she never received his kindness.
It's interesting to me that Joy Hill's mother get's a name, even though her whereabouts are a mystery. Briony. Not that it's perhaps correct, but her name brings to mind both Bronn and Brienne. Why does GRRM go out of his way to give this woman, the mother of a Lannister bastard, a name, when he still can't be bothered to name Lyarra Stark in the text, or several important Dayne's. Briony has a name meaning of "to sprout" in Latin or is a growing vine, sometimes a poisonous vine, or a vine used in folk medicine. Was GRRM considering that when he picked that name for Joy Hill's mother, a bastard that has been on his mind since he wrote Game of Thrones? There is something important about her, or something is hinted to in her story.
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
Tywin would send the mother away from Rock or even Westerlands, I don't think Joy knew Gerion but might learn Gerion was kind to his nephews and nieces and might be sad she never received his kindness.
It's interesting to me that Joy Hill's mother get's a name, even though her whereabouts are a mystery. Briony. Not that it's perhaps correct, but her name brings to mind both Bronn and Brienne. Why does GRRM go out of his way to give this woman, the mother of a Lannister bastard, a name, when he still can't be bothered to name Lyarra Stark in the text, or several important Dayne's. Briony has a name meaning of "to sprout" in Latin or is a growing vine, sometimes a poisonous vine, or a vine used in folk medicine. Was GRRM considering that when he picked that name for Joy Hill's mother, a bastard that has been on his mind since he wrote Game of Thrones? There is something important about her, or something is hinted to in her story.
Fol Medicine aspect is interestin was Briony a healer figure in Westerlands like Maggy the Frog, did she had magical powers like Alys Rivers that included seeing future in water ponds?
Fol Medicine aspect is interestin was Briony a healer figure in Westerlands like Maggy the Frog, did she had magical powers like Alys Rivers that included seeing future in water ponds?
I don't have any good answers but I do think it's both interesting and important that GRRM named Joy Hill and Briony what he did. He has said in SSM's that names are important to his character development and that often he can't write a character until he has them named, and the name has to fit just right. So, Briony, the missing mother, might be an important key, as well as Joy Hill. Hill is a raised place, as is a tower, and both are associated with Joy in this story. I might be wearing crooked glasses, but I can't help but think there is a connection. If Briony is a healer, what kind of healer is she, and where is she. If GRRM wanted her to be dead, she would be, but he hints about her whereabouts as being unknown. So, where is she and what is she doing? And what is so special about her daughter Joy?
ETA: I also question how old Maggy the Frog really was. Cersei remembers as like she is a hideous hag, but that doesn't really fit the idea that she married up in her life. I would think she was somewhat attractive, and if she is a grandmother to Jeyne Westerling, who is only 16 now, she probably was only in her 30's at the time that Cersei visited her tent. I just think she could be younger and more attractive than we are lead to believe.
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Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
Fol Medicine aspect is interestin was Briony a healer figure in Westerlands like Maggy the Frog, did she had magical powers like Alys Rivers that included seeing future in water ponds?
I don't have any good answers but I do think it's both interesting and important that GRRM named Joy Hill and Briony what he did. He has said in SSM's that names are important to his character development and that often he can't write a character until he has them named, and the name has to fit just right. So, Briony, the missing mother, might be an important key, as well as Joy Hill. Hill is a raised place, as is a tower, and both are associated with Joy in this story. I might be wearing crooked glasses, but I can't help but think there is a connection. If Briony is a healer, what kind of healer is she, and where is she. If GRRM wanted her to be dead, she would be, but he hints about her whereabouts as being unknown. So, where is she and what is she doing? And what is so special about her daughter Joy?
ETA: I also question how old Maggy the Frog really was. Cersei remembers as like she is a hideous hag, but that doesn't really fit the idea that she married up in her life. I would think she was somewhat attractive, and if she is a grandmother to Jeyne Westerling, who is only 16 now, she probably was only in her 30's at the time that Cersei visited her tent. I just think she could be younger and more attractive than we are lead to believe.
You are right Maggy had to be attractive as we know she practice blood magic she can always glamour herself to look younger, Cersei's description makes me think of Meria Martell the Yellow Toad rather than a woman in her thirties.
About Briony, isn't there a skinchanger among Wildlings with a smilar man, she has a shadowcat by her side, could Briony be a First Men woman with special genes?
You are right Maggy had to be attractive as we know she practice blood magic she can always glamour herself to look younger, Cersei's description makes me think of Meria Martell the Yellow Toad rather than a woman in her thirties.
Ah, that description of Meria Martell is a bit like Maggy the Frog. Perhaps that hints at a Rhoynarish hint for Maggy, or even a Dornish one? Glamours are absolutely possible.
About Briony, isn't there a skinchanger among Wildlings with a smilar man, she has a shadowcat by her side, could Briony be a First Men woman with special genes?
There is Briar and she has a shadowcat. There might be a connection that GRRM is making with this name, also. A shadowcat and a lion are both large felines. Could Briony somehow be a skinchanger, or at least associated with a cat like family. I know she is considered a peasant, but Gerion must have picked her for some reason. I don't even know if Briony would have been from the Westerlands or not, but there are several cat-like houses there. Lion's of Casterly Rock, lions of Reyne, and other cat's, such as the treecat of Myatt are from the West. The Leopard of Santagar (from Dorne), the black lion of Grandison (Stormlands) are some others. I know I am missing some. I thought there was a black panther sigil, but perhaps that is Grandison, and I swear there is a domestic house cat sigil, also.
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
You are right Maggy had to be attractive as we know she practice blood magic she can always glamour herself to look younger, Cersei's description makes me think of Meria Martell the Yellow Toad rather than a woman in her thirties.
Ah, that description of Meria Martell is a bit like Maggy the Frog. Perhaps that hints at a Rhoynarish hint for Maggy, or even a Dornish one? Glamours are absolutely possible.
About Briony, isn't there a skinchanger among Wildlings with a smilar man, she has a shadowcat by her side, could Briony be a First Men woman with special genes?
There is Briar and she has a shadowcat. There might be a connection that GRRM is making with this name, also. A shadowcat and a lion are both large felines. Could Briony somehow be a skinchanger, or at least associated with a cat like family. I know she is considered a peasant, but Gerion must have picked her for some reason. I don't even know if Briony would have been from the Westerlands or not, but there are several cat-like houses there. Lion's of Casterly Rock, lions of Reyne, and other cat's, such as the treecat of Myatt are from the West. The Leopard of Santagar (from Dorne), the black lion of Grandison (Stormlands) are some others. I know I am missing some. I thought there was a black panther sigil, but perhaps that is Grandison, and I swear there is a domestic house cat sigil, also.
Could Briony be a Lannister bastard and displayed skinchanger abilities, is that why Gerion married her, although I used to think Lanna is daughter of Gerion and the mother is Gerion's "wife" didn't she visit Isle of Faces and had Yna who had blood magic abilities like Maggy? Or could Tygett be the Sailor and both brothers had relations with magical woman?
Could Briony be a Lannister bastard and displayed skinchanger abilities, is that why Gerion married her, although I used to think Lanna is daughter of Gerion and the mother is Gerion's "wife" didn't she visit Isle of Faces and had Yna who had blood magic abilities like Maggy? Or could Tygett be the Sailor and both brothers had relations with magical woman?
It would be interesting if Briony did have Lannister blood, as that would make Joy have a double dose. Not as much as Jaime and Cersei's children, but enough to make her special in some way. I don't know that we have any information that Gerion marred Briony, or even what their relationship was about. Or why he decided to travel off to Essos or take on searching for the family sword. I think I would like Gerion though. He sounds like an guy I'd like to have a beer with.
Lanna at the Happy Port does have gold hair, and her name hints at being a Lannister, much in the way Barra was named after Robert Baratheon. But I don't know who her father could have been. It could have been Gerion, as he was a bit of a traveler and visited the Free Cities when he was only 16. He could be Lanna's father. But maybe Tygett, who is said to have died of the pox. If you spend enough time with prostitutes, you might end up with the pox. He could also be Lanna's father, although I don't know if he ever left Westeros. I think she is too old to be Tyrion's child from Tysha, but that would have been nice, Tyrion producing a perfectly beautiful Lannister baby.
I don't know about a wife who visited the Isle of Faces. There are stories about Howland and Addam Velaryon, but I don't know about any women.
Yna is interesting to me because she is one of the one-eyed people in the story, which stand out to me as hints of Odin, and perhaps she gave her eye for her gift of the sight. She is considered a maegi and reads peoples fortunes with a taste of a drop of blood. That sounds like Maegi the Frog's style to me.
Another one-eyed person is Ser Bartimus of the Wolf's Den. He lost a leg and an eye to war and earned his commission at the Wolf's Den for his sacrifice. I just read that chapter last night. He is full of knowledge for Davos, and tells us about King Jon Stark and the Wolf's Den and Edric Snowbeard Stark (who I think was a Stark bastard that was legitimized) and his great-grandson Brandon Ice-Eyes Stark who came down on the slavers that held the Wolf's Den during a bitter winter and allowed the slaves to give the slavers to the heart tree. We get some interesting information from Ser Bartimus, who is a knight from the Manderly lands but worships the old gods.
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
Could Briony be a Lannister bastard and displayed skinchanger abilities, is that why Gerion married her, although I used to think Lanna is daughter of Gerion and the mother is Gerion's "wife" didn't she visit Isle of Faces and had Yna who had blood magic abilities like Maggy? Or could Tygett be the Sailor and both brothers had relations with magical woman?
It would be interesting if Briony did have Lannister blood, as that would make Joy have a double dose. Not as much as Jaime and Cersei's children, but enough to make her special in some way. I don't know that we have any information that Gerion marred Briony, or even what their relationship was about. Or why he decided to travel off to Essos or take on searching for the family sword. I think I would like Gerion though. He sounds like an guy I'd like to have a beer with.
Lanna at the Happy Port does have gold hair, and her name hints at being a Lannister, much in the way Barra was named after Robert Baratheon. But I don't know who her father could have been. It could have been Gerion, as he was a bit of a traveler and visited the Free Cities when he was only 16. He could be Lanna's father. But maybe Tygett, who is said to have died of the pox. If you spend enough time with prostitutes, you might end up with the pox. He could also be Lanna's father, although I don't know if he ever left Westeros. I think she is too old to be Tyrion's child from Tysha, but that would have been nice, Tyrion producing a perfectly beautiful Lannister baby.
I don't know about a wife who visited the Isle of Faces. There are stories about Howland and Addam Velaryon, but I don't know about any women.
Yna is interesting to me because she is one of the one-eyed people in the story, which stand out to me as hints of Odin, and perhaps she gave her eye for her gift of the sight. She is considered a maegi and reads peoples fortunes with a taste of a drop of blood. That sounds like Maegi the Frog's style to me.
Another one-eyed person is Ser Bartimus of the Wolf's Den. He lost a leg and an eye to war and earned his commission at the Wolf's Den for his sacrifice. I just read that chapter last night. He is full of knowledge for Davos, and tells us about King Jon Stark and the Wolf's Den and Edric Snowbeard Stark (who I think was a Stark bastard that was legitimized) and his great-grandson Brandon Ice-Eyes Stark who came down on the slavers that held the Wolf's Den during a bitter winter and allowed the slaves to give the slavers to the heart tree. We get some interesting information from Ser Bartimus, who is a knight from the Manderly lands but worships the old gods.
I think Lanna's mother, forget her name, been to Isle of Faces, there is a Wildling Jon met who also wants to visit the Isle, Howland was there. What if Edric Snowbeard and Brandon Ice Eyes were Other-ish - Snowbeard is used for snow pile in men's beard and not be because of his age and Ice Eyes is really on face. These connection will add them to list of Other-ish men along with Symeon Sapphire Eyes and Ser Serwyn - I think he was a Cerwyn instead- of the Mirror Shield, could Others armour act like mirror? We also have Aemond One Eye and his lover Alys the magician
I think Lanna's mother, forget her name, been to Isle of Faces, there is a Wildling Jon met who also wants to visit the Isle, Howland was there.
The Sailor's Wife is Lanna's mother. Do you tie her to the Isle of Faces in the Gods Eye because she is familiar with the Isle of the Gods in Braavos? She does speak Westerosi, which would be helpful if visiting Westeros or it could mean she is from Westeros. There is also a Lanna who is a prostitute at the Peach in Stoney Sept. There is no description for her, but do you think she is a nod to the Lannister's as well? There is one other Lanna in the story and she is a Lannister by birth, so they might all be connected by blood.
What if Edric Snowbeard and Brandon Ice Eyes were Other-ish - Snowbeard is used for snow pile in men's beard and not be because of his age and Ice Eyes is really on face. These connection will add them to list of Other-ish men along with Symeon Sapphire Eyes
This could be the case. Although I think that Edrick was a Snow bastard who was legitimized and made a Stark king. That still could mean that his blood is descended from the Other's. Ice Eyes could be very blue, like the Other's, or could be pale whitish grey, like Roose and Ramsay's. I am conflicted on that.
Ser Serwyn - I think he was a Cerwyn instead- of the Mirror Shield, could Others armour act like mirror?
It seems mirror like, but also a bit like a chameleon as well. But yes, Serwyn could definitely be wearing the armor of an Other, or he could just be one. Jon's hints of black ice armor might be the very same thing, only Jon is currently reflecting the night skies. Serwyn used his fancy shiny shield to slay a dragon and he also is said to be haunted by the ghosts of those he killed.
We also have Aemond One Eye and his lover Alys the magician
Yes, Aemond is another of our one-eyed people, probably knowledgable and special, but when I read about him, I just think he is a huge jack ass! Still, losing that eye might have granted him a boon that helped him gain his Alys the witch.
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
I think Lanna's mother, forget her name, been to Isle of Faces, there is a Wildling Jon met who also wants to visit the Isle, Howland was there.
The Sailor's Wife is Lanna's mother. Do you tie her to the Isle of Faces in the Gods Eye because she is familiar with the Isle of the Gods in Braavos? She does speak Westerosi, which would be helpful if visiting Westeros or it could mean she is from Westeros. There is also a Lanna who is a prostitute at the Peach in Stoney Sept. There is no description for her, but do you think she is a nod to the Lannister's as well? There is one other Lanna in the story and she is a Lannister by birth, so they might all be connected by blood.
What if Edric Snowbeard and Brandon Ice Eyes were Other-ish - Snowbeard is used for snow pile in men's beard and not be because of his age and Ice Eyes is really on face. These connection will add them to list of Other-ish men along with Symeon Sapphire Eyes
This could be the case. Although I think that Edrick was a Snow bastard who was legitimized and made a Stark king. That still could mean that his blood is descended from the Other's. Ice Eyes could be very blue, like the Other's, or could be pale whitish grey, like Roose and Ramsay's. I am conflicted on that.
Ser Serwyn - I think he was a Cerwyn instead- of the Mirror Shield, could Others armour act like mirror?
It seems mirror like, but also a bit like a chameleon as well. But yes, Serwyn could definitely be wearing the armor of an Other, or he could just be one. Jon's hints of black ice armor might be the very same thing, only Jon is currently reflecting the night skies. Serwyn used his fancy shiny shield to slay a dragon and he also is said to be haunted by the ghosts of those he killed.
We also have Aemond One Eye and his lover Alys the magician
Yes, Aemond is another of our one-eyed people, probably knowledgable and special, but when I read about him, I just think he is a huge jack ass! Still, losing that eye might have granted him a boon that helped him gain his Alys the witch.
Both places having Isle of Faces could be parallels to understand the connection between CotF and Braavos, though Lanna's are more trickery, is it possible Lanna of Westeros is Tygett's while Lanna of Braavos is Gerion's?
Aemond is shown as a jackass but losing your eye to a bastard must make him bitter, I wonder if he really was close to Jace due to them being milk brothers and was angry he attacked him, did Viserys attempted to make Daeron a milk brother for Joffrey/Lucerys?
Both places having Isle of Faces could be parallels to understand the connection between CotF and Braavos, though Lanna's are more trickery, is it possible Lanna of Westeros is Tygett's while Lanna of Braavos is Gerion's?
It does seem like GRRM has some point with the Isle of Faces and the Isle of the Gods. They do seem similar but one place is dedicated to the idea of the Children and the weirnet, while the other seems to be dedicated to many gods in the world. It is interesting that there is a Lanna in each of these places, Braavos and the Riverlands. It does seem like it must have something to do with the Lannister's, and these both might be bastards of Tywin's brothers.
Aemond is shown as a jackass but losing your eye to a bastard must make him bitter, I wonder if he really was close to Jace due to them being milk brothers and was angry he attacked him, did Viserys attempted to make Daeron a milk brother for Joffrey/Lucerys?
I think he was always kind of a shit of a kid. Smaller than his brothers but twice as fierce. He was as much responsible for that fight as any of his cousins, but I don't know if he minded losing the eye. He gained Vhagar from that incident and he said that was a fair trade. It does sort of remind of the Odin myths were he lost an eye but gained great knowledge, except Aemond lost an eye and gained a great dragon. It also seems Bloodraven like, but before Bloodraven existed. Also interesting is that he sometimes wore a sapphire in the socket, so a call back to Symeon Star-Eyes. For whatever the reason, fate or GRRM, Aemond was at the center of several key elements in the Dance of the Dragons. His relationship with Alys Rivers is interesting. What happened to her child and was it really Aemond? I find his name interesting as well. Aemon with a -d. Why is that? Anyway, I don't know that he ever cared for his cousin, whether they shared a wet nurse or not. I don't find him very likable but I do find him quite compelling to learn about.
I do find that he and his siblings had Hightower blood while Rhaenera's son's had "strong" blood is interesting. I since strong has a connection to Stark, does that in some way set the Hightowers and the Stark's up as enemies or rivals?
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
Both places having Isle of Faces could be parallels to understand the connection between CotF and Braavos, though Lanna's are more trickery, is it possible Lanna of Westeros is Tygett's while Lanna of Braavos is Gerion's?
It does seem like GRRM has some point with the Isle of Faces and the Isle of the Gods. They do seem similar but one place is dedicated to the idea of the Children and the weirnet, while the other seems to be dedicated to many gods in the world. It is interesting that there is a Lanna in each of these places, Braavos and the Riverlands. It does seem like it must have something to do with the Lannister's, and these both might be bastards of Tywin's brothers.
Aemond is shown as a jackass but losing your eye to a bastard must make him bitter, I wonder if he really was close to Jace due to them being milk brothers and was angry he attacked him, did Viserys attempted to make Daeron a milk brother for Joffrey/Lucerys?
I think he was always kind of a shit of a kid. Smaller than his brothers but twice as fierce. He was as much responsible for that fight as any of his cousins, but I don't know if he minded losing the eye. He gained Vhagar from that incident and he said that was a fair trade. It does sort of remind of the Odin myths were he lost an eye but gained great knowledge, except Aemond lost an eye and gained a great dragon. It also seems Bloodraven like, but before Bloodraven existed. Also interesting is that he sometimes wore a sapphire in the socket, so a call back to Symeon Star-Eyes. For whatever the reason, fate or GRRM, Aemond was at the center of several key elements in the Dance of the Dragons. His relationship with Alys Rivers is interesting. What happened to her child and was it really Aemond? I find his name interesting as well. Aemon with a -d. Why is that? Anyway, I don't know that he ever cared for his cousin, whether they shared a wet nurse or not. I don't find him very likable but I do find him quite compelling to learn about.
I do find that he and his siblings had Hightower blood while Rhaenera's son's had "strong" blood is interesting. I since strong has a connection to Stark, does that in some way set the Hightowers and the Stark's up as enemies or rivals?
Considering Hightowers did get a Targaryen Princess when Rhaena married one, but Starks Pact of Ice and Fire wasn't honored, it gives Starks a reason for bitterness, why would Alicent's house given a Princess, when Rhaenyra's ally was snubbed?
Well Aemond is strangely tied to Daemon, they die together, and Aemond's name is an anagram of his dear uncle, could Alicent have an affair with the Rogue Prince?
Considering Hightowers did get a Targaryen Princess when Rhaena married one, but Starks Pact of Ice and Fire wasn't honored, it gives Starks a reason for bitterness, why would Alicent's house given a Princess, when Rhaenyra's ally was snubbed?
Rhaena is interesting, as well as her twin Baela. Although I am not sure they really are considered princesses. Mostly they are called Lady as a title, although their father was considered a prince. Baela ended up with the dragon Moondancer who ended up being killed by Sunfyre, which seems like a hint a the sun killing the moon. Later, Rhaena hatches the dragon Morning. She is given in marriage (her second marriage) to a Hightower and has six unnamed daughters. The Hightower words are "We Light the Way" and Rhaena's dragon was called Morning, which seems to fit the words of the house she married into. What happened to those six dauhters?
Baela also is interesting, as she was a warrior and a tom boy. She ended up married to Alyn Velaryon and giving him at least one child, possibly at least a second child, although we have no details on that yet. Rhaena the lady and Baela the tomboy also remind me just a bit of Sansa and Arya. The information on the dragons tied to each daughter or house she married is quite interesting and it must be part of some web that GRRM is building with these two girls, another set of twins in our story. Just looking at the wiki, I see that before she married Alyn Velaryon, one of the people that Baela might have married was a Hightower, and years later her twin sister ended up married to a Hightower, the younger brother of the Hightower that Baela might have married.
As to why the Stark's never got their female Targaryen, I don't know that they didn't, I think perhaps we just have not heard about it yet. Or I am still banking on a female Targaryen somewhere in the Stark line. The Hightower's had become very important, just based on Alicent's connection to the thrown, and once power is gained, favor is given. The Stark's were still off in the north, not getting involved in the affairs of the south, at least until the Dance was nearly over. Also, if Cregan knew that he had the Targaryen blood he needed in Sara Snow's bastard child, he might not have fought for a Targaryen by marriage. I think the Stark's wanted the genes, not necessarily the name. Maybe this was part of the reason that Cregan delayed coming to King's Landing, he was in the north waiting to see what child that his half-sister Sara gave birth to?
Well Aemond is strangely tied to Daemon, they die together, and Aemond's name is an anagram of his dear uncle, could Alicent have an affair with the Rogue Prince?
They are certainly a bit a like, and are tied together in death, but honestly, I can't imagine that Alicent would have been that stupid. And if she did, once Daemon was clearly on Rhaenyra's side, it would make sense that if he had an affair with Alicent, he would have made it public knowledge, because that would have thrown shade on Alicent just like Alicent tried to throw shade on Rhaenyra over her "strong" sons. So, on this, I don't think so. Of course, Rhaenyra would not have liked the information, but it would still have been a weapon to use against Alicent and the Hightower's.
Rhaena and Baela are interesting to me because the are the combination of Targaryen and Velaryon blood that I think makes it important to hatch dragons, not just ride them. And of course, their father Daemon is one of the most interesting characters that GRRM has given us. Oh, if Rhaegar had as much charisma as Daemon, I would probably buy the idea that he seduced or stole Lyanna Stark, but since Prince Silverstring is nothing like "the rogue prince" I find myself full of doubt.
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
Considering Hightowers did get a Targaryen Princess when Rhaena married one, but Starks Pact of Ice and Fire wasn't honored, it gives Starks a reason for bitterness, why would Alicent's house given a Princess, when Rhaenyra's ally was snubbed?
Rhaena is interesting, as well as her twin Baela. Although I am not sure they really are considered princesses. Mostly they are called Lady as a title, although their father was considered a prince. Baela ended up with the dragon Moondancer who ended up being killed by Sunfyre, which seems like a hint a the sun killing the moon. Later, Rhaena hatches the dragon Morning. She is given in marriage (her second marriage) to a Hightower and has six unnamed daughters. The Hightower words are "We Light the Way" and Rhaena's dragon was called Morning, which seems to fit the words of the house she married into. What happened to those six dauhters?
Baela also is interesting, as she was a warrior and a tom boy. She ended up married to Alyn Velaryon and giving him at least one child, possibly at least a second child, although we have no details on that yet. Rhaena the lady and Baela the tomboy also remind me just a bit of Sansa and Arya. The information on the dragons tied to each daughter or house she married is quite interesting and it must be part of some web that GRRM is building with these two girls, another set of twins in our story. Just looking at the wiki, I see that before she married Alyn Velaryon, one of the people that Baela might have married was a Hightower, and years later her twin sister ended up married to a Hightower, the younger brother of the Hightower that Baela might have married.
As to why the Stark's never got their female Targaryen, I don't know that they didn't, I think perhaps we just have not heard about it yet. Or I am still banking on a female Targaryen somewhere in the Stark line. The Hightower's had become very important, just based on Alicent's connection to the thrown, and once power is gained, favor is given. The Stark's were still off in the north, not getting involved in the affairs of the south, at least until the Dance was nearly over. Also, if Cregan knew that he had the Targaryen blood he needed in Sara Snow's bastard child, he might not have fought for a Targaryen by marriage. I think the Stark's wanted the genes, not necessarily the name. Maybe this was part of the reason that Cregan delayed coming to King's Landing, he was in the north waiting to see what child that his half-sister Sara gave birth to?
Well Aemond is strangely tied to Daemon, they die together, and Aemond's name is an anagram of his dear uncle, could Alicent have an affair with the Rogue Prince?
They are certainly a bit a like, and are tied together in death, but honestly, I can't imagine that Alicent would have been that stupid. And if she did, once Daemon was clearly on Rhaenyra's side, it would make sense that if he had an affair with Alicent, he would have made it public knowledge, because that would have thrown shade on Alicent just like Alicent tried to throw shade on Rhaenyra over her "strong" sons. So, on this, I don't think so. Of course, Rhaenyra would not have liked the information, but it would still have been a weapon to use against Alicent and the Hightower's.
Rhaena and Baela are interesting to me because the are the combination of Targaryen and Velaryon blood that I think makes it important to hatch dragons, not just ride them. And of course, their father Daemon is one of the most interesting characters that GRRM has given us. Oh, if Rhaegar had as much charisma as Daemon, I would probably buy the idea that he seduced or stole Lyanna Stark, but since Prince Silverstring is nothing like "the rogue prince" I find myself full of doubt.
You are right about Starks wanting the genes, if Sara and Jace did have a child, that child could marry into Stark family and the family will carry fire genes through her/him, I think only time Daemon and Alicent affair brought up is about Daemon taking Alicent's maidenhead. Baela Targaryen had a daughter Laena, her dragon hatched as a wyrm and bite the baby's arm, and later gave birth to a son who ruled House Velaryon. But Alyn later had an affair with Eleana and had twins from her, the son founded House Longwaters, but is it possible the daughter married a nephew?
You are right about Starks wanting the genes, if Sara and Jace did have a child, that child could marry into Stark family and the family will carry fire genes through her/him, I think only time Daemon and Alicent affair brought up is about Daemon taking Alicent's maidenhead. Baela Targaryen had a daughter Laena, her dragon hatched as a wyrm and bite the baby's arm, and later gave birth to a son who ruled House Velaryon. But Alyn later had an affair with Eleana and had twins from her, the son founded House Longwaters, but is it possible the daughter married a nephew?
I had forgotten that hint of a rumor about Alicent and Daemon, but that would have happened prior to her marriage, not after it. I still have a hard time thinking she would be so stupid to have an affair after her marriage. She seems smart and that would set her up to risk loosing so much. We certainly know how Maegor treated the women that supposedly did him wrong, not that Viserys is like Maegor, but the Red Keep knows and remembers these things.
I am seeing this idea of a child of Jace and Sara being possibly married at some point in time back into the Stark's and at the same time, gosh, it is interesting that Cregan and Black Aly's eldest is called Sarra. It would give me a reason to explain all the heat and fire hints I see in the Stark's, including Ned and his staring into a candle flame, if this was the same child.
Baela did have her daughter Laena, the one who hatched a firewyrm, a firewyrm that Alyn then killed. As to a son that they had, so far we don't have that information. We know that Baela was pregnant when he left on a voyage, but we don't know if that child was a boy, or even survived. It's possible that the House Velaryon will turn out to descend from Baela and Alyn's daughter Laena, who is actually named after her grandmother, Laena Velaryon. A husband could take on her family name, or she could have had a bastard who was legitimized.
And yes, we do have the Water to Longwater's connection through Alyn, but I don't know if that would have rolled back into the Velaryon line. Unless the daughter Jayne Water's did eventually marry a son that Baela and Alyn might have had. The incest in that case seems doubtful, but perhaps a few generations later these lines might have been tied back together. It's pretty much alll speculation at this point.
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.