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Ran admits to publicly endorsing theories he knows are wrong Dec 18, 2015 6:39:19 GMT

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Dec 16, 2015 18:20:30 GMT Lady Dyanna said:

What's getting me right now is that it doesn't appear to be one of those things that just accidentally pops out of your mouth

I actually found out about the interview because they retweeted the link to the interview. So they were advertising the interview

Dec 18, 2015 5:38:54 GMT wolfmaid7 said:

When was this interview done by the way?

As I said above, I saw the link because they retweeted it. They retweeted it on December 14th, which if we assume was the day it was released then it's after they recently did that interview saying that they think RLJ's a fact and are just concerned with the how's and why's of it as IIRC that interview was from several weeks ago. No idea when they taped each interview though of course

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Dec 18, 2015 6:39:19 GMT markg171 said:

Dec 16, 2015 18:20:30 GMT Lady Dyanna said:

What's getting me right now is that it doesn't appear to be one of those things that just accidentally pops out of your mouth

I actually found out about the interview because they retweeted the link to the interview. So they were advertising the interview

Dec 18, 2015 5:38:54 GMT wolfmaid7 said:

When was this interview done by the way?

As I said above, I saw the link because they retweeted it. They retweeted it on December 14th, which if we assume was the day it was released then it's after they recently did that interview saying that they think RLJ's a fact and are just concerned with the how's and why's of it as IIRC that interview was from several weeks ago. No idea when they taped each interview though of course.

So they are staying R+L=J is a fact but are lying about it?

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Dec 18, 2015 8:20:47 GMT Wraith said:

So they are staying R+L=J is a fact but are lying about it?

Not necessarily. But possibly. Really, Elio's statement just seems completely unnecessary and ill-considered. I can't agree enough with Melisandra 's response, which perfectly captures the way many should feel about it:

Dec 16, 2015 18:08:14 GMT Melisandra said:

That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. If Ran ever learned that something he supported was untrue due to his relationship with GRRM, then just shut up about it. But, if Ran changed his opinion after reading someone's analysis or after his own re-analysis, then he should just say he's changed his mind rather than support something he no longer believes. What a dick.

I sympathize a little with Elio/Ran because, while he was a fan first, he's now in tough spot - he really can't say much of anything without drawing criticism, or overreaction from the public. That said... he put himself in that position. And this particular statement is just bizarre.

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Post by voice on Dec 18, 2015 16:51:24 GMT

Missed that comment from Mel, but you're right snowfyre. Thanks for quoting it. Props Mel.

It really is a bizarre thing to say, particularly because of the tough spot he is in, right? It seems to only undermine him as a fan, and as a source - be it a source of canon, ssm, etc. I don't get it. Was it a lapse in self awareness? A sense of teflon entitlement?

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Dec 18, 2015 16:51:24 GMT voice said:

Does that infamous genealogy even exist?! Lol

Well considering that it took like 3 days to come out with the "source" for Lyanna's death, which should have simply been that GRRM covered that in their lunch like all the other "new" info in the app, probably not.

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Post by Mojo on Dec 21, 2015 17:05:58 GMT

I'm so late to this, but Ran knows nothing. Ran needs to shut his butthole, because he keeps leaking out bullshit.

It's the only way he can save face. How the hell would he know more than GRRM's editor?!

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Dec 16, 2015 15:44:31 GMT @prettypig said:

So narrow it down to what Ran actually bothers to "support" on his board anymore - I don't follow his posts so have no idea where the bulk of his activity is, but IIRC the story-related arguments that I've seen him personally engage in/support are:

1) RLJ
2) Lyanna as KotLT
3) Jon at Starfall
4) Anti-Lemongate

He has brusqely dismissed 99% of Heresy, most arguments that bring in any kind of comparative analysis to or cite influence of Christianity/Biblical figures, and uber-highbrow metaphorical stuff like JStar's "Rhaegar Lance Penis" - the latter meriting only a "Yeah...no." but still ironically being treated like canonical gospel by the faithful.

What else?

What is LemonGate?

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Dec 24, 2015 16:05:54 GMT KingTyrionThe998th said:

What is LemonGate?

That Dany remembers a lemon tree in Braavos at the House with the Red Door, but lemon trees can't grow in Braavos due to the climate. So there's something wrong with her memory of the house, which at least it seems most people believe means that the house was not actually in Braavos and rather somewhere else (Dorne is the popular answer as Dorne is repeatedly linked to the growth of lemons), but Dany simply can't remember where the house actually was.

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Dec 21, 2015 17:05:58 GMT Mojo said:

I'm so late to this, but Ran knows nothing. Ran needs to shut his butthole, because he keeps leaking out bullshit.

It's the only way he can save face. How the hell would he know more than GRRM's editor?!

Just so. This sounds to me like a bunch of smoke used to hide the fact that those two do not, in fact, know much more than anybody else who cares to read carefully.

(Quite possibly less, since they appear determined to ignore the theory that dragons bidirectional hermaphrodites, the outright fact that dragons have black teeth and bones, and the dubious nature of the theory that Arya's milk was poisoned daily at THOBAW.)

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Dec 18, 2015 6:39:19 GMT markg171 said:

As I said above, I saw the link because they retweeted it. They retweeted it on December 14th, which if we assume was the day it was released then it's after they recently did that interview saying that they think RLJ's a fact and are just concerned with the how's and why's of it as IIRC that interview was from several weeks ago. No idea when they taped each interview though of course

Oh thanks for posting this.That would be kind of messed up if they argued for something they know is false.Though i don't think that's the case that sounds more like back tracking.

Dec 16, 2015 15:44:31 GMT @prettypig said:

He has brusqely dismissed 99% of Heresy, most arguments that bring in any kind of comparative analysis to or cite influence of Christianity/Biblical figures, and uber-highbrow metaphorical stuff like JStar's "Rhaegar Lance Penis"

Yeah this has always bugged me you dismiss one and not the other.

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Dec 25, 2015 6:18:40 GMT wolfmaid7 said:

something they know is false

It doesn't even have to be something that they know though. Even if they simply no longer believe in the theory. through their own analysis or someone else's or whatever, they're still saying that they're going to publicly pretend to support it anyways so that people don't think that they personally know it's wrong.

So no matter what they're supporting theories that they don't actually support.

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Dec 25, 2015 7:22:55 GMT markg171 said:

Dec 25, 2015 6:18:40 GMT wolfmaid7 said:

something they know is false

It doesn't even have to be something that they know though. Even if they simply no longer believe in the theory. through their own analysis or someone else's or whatever, they're still saying that they're going to publicly pretend to support it anyways so that people don't think that they personally know it's wrong.

So no matter what they're supporting theories that they don't actually support.

True,true.

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Heh. They're probably supporting theories they actually support, but saying they might be lying in supporting them. This way one day, when they turn out to be wrong, they can say they were just lying out of "respect for GRRM" and avoid losing their illusion of flawless expertise.

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Dec 26, 2015 6:13:39 GMT Gashlycrumb said:

Heh. They're probably supporting theories they actually support, but saying they might be lying in supporting them. This way one day, when they turn out to be wrong, they can say they were just lying out of "respect for GRRM" and avoid losing their illusion of flawless expertise.

I can see that.

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