I'm going to read Captain of the Guards next. And then I'm going back to my "A Ball with Beasts" reading list until I get to the next titled chapter. Each one I'll post a run down for all of your perusal.
Ever since I read that GRRM said that there is a 'method to his madness' in terms of the names he gave certain chapters in AFFC and ADwD, it's bene driving me nuts. I feel like there's some sort of clue in the names, and I was hoping we could try figure it out.
Here are the names:
The Prophet
The Captain Of Guards
The Kraken's Daughter
The Soiled Knight
The Iron Captain
The Drowned Man
The Queenmaker
The Reaver
Cat Of The Canals
The Princess In The Tower
The Merchant's Man
The Lost Lord
The Windblown
The Wayward Bride
The Prince of Winterfell
The Watcher
The Turncloak
The King's Prize
The Blind Girl
A Ghost in Winterfell
The Queensguard
The Iron Suitor
The Discarded Knight
The Spurned Suitor
The Griffin Reborn
The Sacrifice
The Ugly Little Girl
The Kingbreaker
The Dragontamer
The Queen's Hand
What's interesting to me is the following chapter names:
The Prophet
The Captain Of Guards
The Soiled Knight
The Queenmaker
The Princess In The Tower
The Wayward Bride
The Prince of Winterfell
The Sacrifice
The Kingbreaker
The Queen's Hand
All of these invoke the Rhaegar/Prophecy/Lyanna/Rebellion/Aerys story to me: The Prophet - Rhaegar/The Ghost of High Heart The Captain Of Guards - Gerold Hightower The Soiled Knight - any number of candidates here; some have stated that Arys Oakheart's story can link perhaps to Arthur Dayne - they could have both become soiled knights in Dorne. The Queenmaker - whoever is involved with Daenarys/Rhaella's story? The Princess In The Tower - Ashara, perhaps even Lyanna The Wayward Bride - Lyanna, failing to honour her marriage agreement The Prince of Winterfell - Brandon Stark? The Sacrifice - any number of ideas apply here - especially if you consider that Summerhall and the tower of joy could have been the site of a potential prophetic sacrifice. The Kingbreaker - Robert, or Jaime? The Queen's Hand - perhaps Willem Darry? Or Bonifer Hasty?
Could it be that there's a story being told by these chapter names? More than one story?
Your opinions on the chapter names?
Just a quick shout out to Lady Dyanna for fixing the coding in our news feed. I saw this title for this thread, I hadn't seen it yet, but when I clicked on the title in the newsfeed link, it directed me right to the thread! Thought it was pretty cool...
“Never forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armour yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you.” ― George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones
Post by whitewolfstark on Feb 15, 2016 3:40:22 GMT
Okay, time to talk about The Captain of the Guards.
The Captain of the Guards, unlike all the other titled chapters I've read so far, isn't just an identity chapter. To be sure there's a little bit of there, but it's playing second fiddle rather clearly to the politics in Dorne. It's like GRRM took what could have been two chapters and condensed them into one. Unlike the other identity chapters which also heavily have a focus on the politics of their respective regions (see The Prophet & The Kraken's Daughter) the choice of The Captain of the Guards is much less monumental. In The Prophet and The Kraken's Daughter, their identity and choices have a tremendous effect on politics and thus the politics are informed by the character's well, character.
Aero however isn't all that important in the grand scheme of things by comparison to Aerion and Asha. His biggest moment of having an influence is on how well he can follow orders at the very end of the chapter--a struggle which is really downplayed throughout the chapter to the point that it's unquestionable that he wouldn't.
Let's first talk about the identity portion of the chapter before we get into the politics going on in Dorne.
The Captain of the Guards is the role that Aero Hotah plays. When he is on duty he's rather vocal and even polices his thoughts so that he's pro-Dorne and 100% supportive of his Prince. He even makes a comparison between himself and Ser Arys Oakhart, about how he considers himself a loyal man to Dorne and Doran, unlike Arys who he believes still clings to his loyalty to the Iron Throne. One might question: well what's the distinction here? Well, recall that Aero is an immigrant, the youngest child of six who was sold to the Bearded Priests to be trained to wield his axe. That in the end he is little more than just his longaxe, well, as Aero would put it: "wedded to his axe"--which is done both to a physical axe, and the axe branded on his chest. I think that's a blatant Full Metal Jacket reference and joke, but it does explain his character. While on duty he is an axe in the service of protecting and obeying his Prince without question or doubt. A recurring mantra in Aero's head is "simple vows for simple men", and in his duty he maintains that simplicity.
While on duty Aero thinks about how Norvos is nothing to him, etc. However, as Doran falls asleep in his chair and is subsequently put to bed, our Captain of the Guards lets down his barriers a bit and suddenly his thoughts and memories are filled with Norvos, and he sadly recalls the sounds, the smells, the tastes of his home city, and his family (specifically his mother). He is an axe while Doran is awake and Aero is on duty, but when the Prince is asleep, Aero can be a man who misses his home despite himself. He may in his duties proclaim utter loyalty to his Dornish Prince, but in his human heart, he remains a Norvosi boy who misses home.
Further we learn that he has an almost fatherly regard for Arianne, but he puts his duty to her father above his affection for his "little princess".
That's about all we learn about Aero as a man and a character in his own right from the chapter. He's a simple-minded homesick man. Probably the closest real life/modern analogue you could get is an enlisted man in a professional army, who at once when on duty is all military, but when the day is done, is a human off duty.
Now for the political situation...
The image to take away from this chapter is that of the falling overripe oranges that fall to the ground with a splat. That is the metaphor that's thrown in our face the entire chapter, and knowing what the Dornish situation is through the rest of the book and in ADWD, it's a good metaphor for Doran's plans and Dorne in general. They've waited too long to move with their plans for vengeance and politics, and now their harvest is overripe and falling from the trees of their own accord. Think of Doran as the orange tree for an instant, and his family and their plots the oranges that are falling off of him because he waited too long to harvest them.
Aero thinks as he's falling asleep that he should have thought to have gathered up the ones that had fallen and eaten them, but simply contends himself to be satisfied with the imagination of him having done so. I think this likely is an extension of the metaphor that goes hand in hand with Aero constantly not knowing what to say to Doran or how to advise or console him in his troubles, so he says nothing--likely hinting that were Aero to know what to say that Doran might be able to gather up his overripe crop and try and make the best out of the situation by keeping them close--instead of letting the oranges fall where they may. Given what we got from ADWD and will likely get from TWOW, I think this is foreshadowing how Doran will lose both Quentyn (already confirmed) and Arianne (speculation), due to his having waited to long and leaving them to their own devices too much as they "fall" from his branches.
Aero does collect some "fallen oranges" or at least those oranges that threaten to fall (as we get those threats from the three Sand Snakes we're introduced to in the chapter), which provides for him the opportunity to use them to his benefit or harvest them before they fall away from him. It's likely from the Sand Snakes that Doran might get the benefit of his harvest, but this gets into speculation territory.
In any case that's my take on the Captain of the Guards as its own chapter. As for looking for echos/inversions/etc. I would say that what my mind jumped to while I was reading this was both the Night's Watch (and how they're a "sword in the darkness") but also the Kingsguard (who are also a "sworn sword"). There's likely parallels to tease out of both situations--and we're definitely meant to contrast Aero with Arys IMO--but that's the obvious contrast that GRRM is practically throwing at us.
Look for parallels with Jaime within AFFC, but I'd also suggest looking for a potential understanding of Robert's Rebellion and Gerold Hightower's story from Aero Hotah--especially as like Hightower (and Jaime), Aero is being sent on a quest away from his sworn King/Prince. As for the Night's Watch... there might be a bit of a comparison to make between Jon and Aero (both taking different routes in trying to "forget" their previous boyhood--Aero succeeding and Jon failing miserably), but on the whole I didn't notice in this chapter many parallels with Aero and Jon at all beyond obvious military issues both face and the vows that they're tied to.
I think the inversion that has the most potential is the Hightower one IMO, though the others I've mentioned should be considered.
Aero & Doran vs. Hightower & Aerys Mirror Ideas:
A plan that took too long to formulate vs. A plan that was too hastily committed to A ruler being worth loyal to vs. a ruler not being worth loyal to Trusting his children to fulfill his plans vs. Not trusting his son farther than he can throw him etc.
Sorry this took so long to post, but Aero is a hard character to get a grasp on because there's so little there, and you keep questioning: is that really all there is to him? And the chapter is so obviously more focused on the political situation being played out in a "rule of three" iteration, and the vibe of the chapter steeped with a certain melancholia, that it's hard to motivate to contemplate everything without feeling something is missing or you're trying to swim through a veritable ocean of "feels".
whitewolfstark, I'm glad you mentioned Hightower, because as I read through your synopsis that is definitely where my mind wondered. Did you see any potential symbolism that would confirm that link?
I also find it interesting that Doran brings Aerys to mind for you. This very well could be true in an inverse relationship. My first thought was of Rhaegar, waiting to act to depose his father and placing the mantle of the Prince that was promised on his son's shoulders. Especially as he needed to remove it from himself to do so. His children also suffered due to his reluctance to act. To tie in Hightower, did he spend so much time protecting Aerys that he in the end regretted not providing additional guidance to Rhaegar. Maybe only coming to this realization a bit too late?
Why must I always be the isle of crazy alone in an ocean of sensibility? The should to everybody else’s shouldn’t? The I-will to their better-nots?
whitewolfstark , I'm glad you mentioned Hightower, because as I read through your synopsis that is definitely where my mind wondered. Did you see any potential symbolism that would confirm that link?
I also find it interesting that Doran brings Aerys to mind for you. This very well could be true in an inverse relationship. My first thought was of Rhaegar, waiting to act to depose his father and placing the mantle of the Prince that was promised on his son's shoulders. Especially as he needed to remove it from himself to do so. His children also suffered due to his reluctance to act. To tie in Hightower, did he spend so much time protecting Aerys that he in the end regretted not providing additional guidance to Rhaegar. Maybe only coming to this realization a bit too late?
Rhaegar's mirror would be Arianne in the situation I propose.
Doran| Aerys = the ruler Aero | Gerold = the loyal man to the ruler Arianne | Rhaegar = the heir who plots against their father Quentyn| Viserys = the one pushing himself to be more than he truly ever can be, meeting a grim end Trystane| Daenerys = the young one no one suspected would go very far, until...
whitewolfstark , I'm glad you mentioned Hightower, because as I read through your synopsis that is definitely where my mind wondered. Did you see any potential symbolism that would confirm that link?
At one point something Aero said reminded me of Gerold Hightower from Ned's fever dream. Then there was the comment that Jaime recalls of the King being right, even when he's wrong. Both rang in my ears as I was reading for some reason.
I also find it interesting that Doran brings Aerys to mind for you. This very well could be true in an inverse relationship. My first thought was of Rhaegar, waiting to act to depose his father and placing the mantle of the Prince that was promised on his son's shoulders. Especially as he needed to remove it from himself to do so. His children also suffered due to his reluctance to act. To tie in Hightower, did he spend so much time protecting Aerys that he in the end regretted not providing additional guidance to Rhaegar. Maybe only coming to this realization a bit too late?
Prince in Dorne is the head ruler, so Rhaegar who isn't the head ruler shouldn't be looked to for an equivalency with Doran as they're not in the same positions (though as you point out they might have similar issues that gum up their problems--but this goes back to Melisandra's premise of there being "all the same ingredients, mixed up and slightly bent")--and from everything we've been given so far, Gerold was far more concerned with Aerys in all his speeches than he was Rhaegar. He defends Aerys after the deaths of Rickard and Brandon, despite being obviously troubled about them; and in Ned's fever dream is the loudest one in proclaiming that his biggest beef is that the King, Aerys, is dead and that Jaime was the one who killed him.
As I showed in my post above, I think the Martells might be the inverse of the Targaryens. Even down to the second child being considered as replacing the heir as their father's heir (Aerys wanted to do that, Arianne feared that Doran wanted to do that).
I'm wondering if on Aero's travel after Gerold Dayne, Aero isn't tempted to abandon his allegiance to Doran for some reason--and we get a further inversion that clues us into Gerold Hightower's story.
Prince in Dorne is the head ruler, so Rhaegar who isn't the head ruler shouldn't be looked to for an equivalency with Doran as they're not in the same positions (though as you point out they might have similar issues that gum up their problems--but this goes back to Melisandra's premise of there being "all the same ingredients, mixed up and slightly bent")--and from everything we've been given so far, Gerold was far more concerned with Aerys in all his speeches than he was Rhaegar. He defends Aerys after the deaths of Rickard and Brandon, despite being obviously troubled about them; and in Ned's fever dream is the loudest one in proclaiming that his biggest beef is that the King, Aerys, is dead and that Jaime was the one who killed him.
As I showed in my post above, I think the Martells might be the inverse of the Targaryens. Even down to the second child being considered as replacing the heir as their father's heir (Aerys wanted to do that, Arianne feared that Doran wanted to do that).
I like this very much. And we even have them going to Essos to look for a bride.
I'm wondering if on Aero's travel after Gerold Dayne, Aero isn't tempted to abandon his allegiance to Doran for some reason--and we get a further inversion that clues us into Gerold Hightower's story.
Maybe--but if anyone abandoned the cause, it was Arys Oakheart--not loyal to Dorne per se. Protecting the innocent girl who sailed on the Lady Lyanna for Dorne.
But Oakheart is more loyal to his love for the heir to the Dornish "throne"--Arianne. Making Arys an addlepated version of Arthur.
I'm thinking that if your metaphor holds, Aero might end up in a fight to the death, too. And lose--after Doran falls? Though Arianne didn't fall while Rhaegar did. . .
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
Read that statement again and let me know if you have caught it. There might be permanent hand marks from this one...
YUP! I stumbled on that bit of Martin's cutesy hints a few weeks ago. But yes--the handprint on my head is only just fading.
At times, it seems like he's just begging us to see it by putting it all in context. But we don't. And then,
Throw in that Myrcella goes with two Kingsguard and a de facto body double in Rosamund (which is such a weird detail to include, no?), and I'm recently starting to wonder who Wylla was. . . was she a servant of Lyanna's caught up in the mess? Maybe from White Harbor? Who looked like a northerner? Like Jeyne Poole???
Is that how they pulled off taking Jon and leaving Jon's "mother?"
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
I have not yet caught up to all the previous comments, just wanted to say that I was listening to Radio Westeros section on Theon and they also debunked the different named chapters that related to Theon and I found their interpretations pretty neat. They went a very different route than what I have picked up from this thread, but it was interesting, give it a go: radiowesteros.com/radio-westeros-e18-theon-know-your-name
(I am just super busy right now and cannot read everything before my comment, please excuse me if this comment is irrelevant)
Just out of curiosity, was there anything in this chapter that would bring to mind the Lannisters? I'm specifically wondering about one of the younger brothers. Maybe Gerion?
Why must I always be the isle of crazy alone in an ocean of sensibility? The should to everybody else’s shouldn’t? The I-will to their better-nots?
Just out of curiosity, was there anything in this chapter that would bring to mind the Lannisters? I'm specifically wondering about one of the younger brothers. Maybe Gerion?
Well, Gerion and Aeron both were the young embarrassments to each family, but right about there ends any and all similarities.