It seemed colder on the long ride back to Winterfell, though the wind had died by then and the sun was higher in the sky. Bran rode with his brothers, well ahead of the main party, his pony struggling hard to keep up with their horses.
“The deserter died bravely ,” Robb said. He was big and broad and growing every day, with his mother’s coloring, the fair skin, red-brown hair, and blue eyes of the Tullys of Riverrun. “He had courage, at the least.”
“No,” Jon Snow said quietly . “It was not courage. This one was dead of fear. You could see it in his eyes, Stark.” Jon’s eyes were a grey so dark they seemed almost black, but there was little they did not see. He was of an age with Robb, but they did not look alike. Jon was slender where Robb was muscular, dark where Robb was fair, graceful and quick where his half brother was strong and fast.
Why must I always be the isle of crazy alone in an ocean of sensibility? The should to everybody else’s shouldn’t? The I-will to their better-nots?
Post by regular jon umber on Aug 6, 2015 7:56:24 GMT
Those three paragraphs offer such a simple and succinct distinction between the three brothers:
- Bran, always smaller, always needing to ride something bigger to keep up with his brothers. (Horses are also a neccessity for knighthood, something Bran never had, and something he would never achieve). - Robb seemed always destined to be the personification of the union of The North and the Riverlands: perfect for the Riverlands, doesn't seem to understand the North at all. - Jon and Robb are supposed to share a father, but they appear differentiated rather by their mother's genes. So, this points strongly of Jon having a Northern mother.
Jon is described graceful, quick, and slender - like a great swordsman.
It seemed colder on the long ride back to Winterfell, though the wind had died by then and the sun was higher in the sky. Bran rode with his brothers, well ahead of the main party, his pony struggling hard to keep up with their horses.
Bran feels colder now, even though the wind had died down and the sun is now higher in the sky. Why?
I've suggested before in Heresy that the wolfpups are already tethered to the Stark children. I believe Bran is experiencing the cold little puppy Summer is feeling. They are wargs already. Notice, that Jon will soon sprint ahead of Robb, racing for home, and Ghost is at this moment crawling away from his siblings. Symmetry.
“The deserter died bravely ,” Robb said. He was big and broad and growing every day, with his mother’s coloring, the fair skin, red-brown hair, and blue eyes of the Tullys of Riverrun. “He had courage, at the least.”
Robb is big and broad, but not taller than Ice or Gared. He's looks like a Tully, acts like a Tully, and thinks like a Tully. But, he is a Stark. Though, I would argue, not a wolf-blooded Stark.
“No,” Jon Snow said quietly1. “It was not courage. This one was dead of fear2. You could see it in his eyes, Stark3.” Jon’s eyes were a grey so dark they seemed almost black4, but there was little they did not see5. He was of an age with Robb6, but they did not look alike. Jon was slender where Robb was muscular7, dark where Robb was fair8, graceful and quick where his half brother was strong and fast9.
The quiet wolf
Ghost alone can see that their mother-wolf is already dead. While the others nurse a corpse, he heads north.
Gared had dead eyes. Jon has open eyes. Robb's eyes have not yet opened and he too will have dead eyes very soon. In fact, like Gared and his father, he will be beheaded.
Hmm, like a grey direwolf racing across an ice white field wearing a black cloak? Nearly black-eyed Jon is so Starkly-grey, he's almost a black brother!
Jon's chapters are incredibly observant. Wolf-like. Predator-like. He sees every weakness, and every strength.
Except "...Maester Luwin says bastards grow up faster than other children." right? I'd say no. That doesn't really make any sense, biologically speaking. Maybe Luwin helped Ned hide Jon's true age.
So one looks like a Sword, and the other looks like a Warhammer.
So one is dark with a weirwood-colored wolf, while the other is fair with a Stark-colored wolf.
Jon sounds like a sand steed, and Robb sounds like destrier.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
Had previously shared this on SH, but going to do it again: Chapter 1 of AGOT occurs a year after the prologue
In 298AC Gared is caught by Ned Stark and his men as a deserter on the Night's Watch. Most people would assume that the prologue in which Gared's mission with Waymar Royce where Waymar is killed immediately proceeds the first chapter of AGOT where Ned kills Gared as we are told that Gared was terrified and we know that Waymar had just been killed by the Others and risen as a wight. But it seems as though a good deal of time has actually passed between the prologue and the first chapter.
"Bronze Yohn knows me," she reminded him. "He was a guest at Winterfell when his son rode north to take the black." She had fallen wildly in love with Ser Waymar, she remembered dimly, but that was a lifetime ago, when she was a stupid little girl.
Sansa remembered Lord Yohn Royce, who had guested at Winterfell two years before.
Sansa in AFFC tells us that Bronze Yohn and Waymar Royce were guests in Winterfell when Waymar rode to take the black. She also tells us in AGOT that this occurred 2 years prior. Which means that Waymar Royce joined the Night's Watch in 296AC. Where am I going with this?
Ser Waymar had been a Sworn Brother of the Night's Watch for less than half a year
In AGOT's prologue, Waymar Royce has only been in the Night's Watch for less than 6 months. That means that it's either still 296AC, or it's now 297AC. Waymar of course dies in this mission, and this is when Gared presumably flees south to be caught by Ned Stark's men. But depending on exactly when the mission was in the prologue and when exactly Bran I is in 298, we're looking at at least 6 months between the prologue and Bran I, and up to over a year later that Gared is finally caught for Gared to have been caught in 298.
Which is a little odd as Gared was only 9 days away from the Wall in the prologue
Nine days they had been riding, north and northwest and then north again, farther and farther from the Wall, hard on the track of a band of Wildling raiders.
Obviously Gared has to somehow get passed the Wall and still travel to Winterfell, but it seems as though Gared's trip takes far longer than it should. Either it's a mistake on Martin's part, or Gared did indeed do something before he showed up near Winterfell other than just trying to make his way south and desert the Night's Watch.
Your lordship lost a son at the Red Wedding. I lost four upon the Blackwater. And why? Because the Lannisters stole the throne. Go to King’s Landing and look on Tommen with your own eyes, if you doubt me. A blind man could see it. What does Stannis offer you? Vengeance. Vengeance for my sons and yours, for your husbands and your fathers and your brothers. Vengeance for your murdered lord, your murdered king, your butchered princes. Vengeance!
Obviously Gared has to somehow get passed the Wall and still travel to Winterfell, but it seems as though Gared's trip takes far longer than it should. Either it's a mistake on Martin's part, or Gared did indeed do something before he showed up near Winterfell other than just trying to make his way south and desert the Night's Watch.
It's a great observation. I would only add that Waymar could have guested at Winterfell for quite some time before heading North (long enough to father Rickon? Kidding! LOL), and he may have guested at other castles after Winterfell. If I were joining the Watch, I'd certainly take my time about it. I might even be tempted to go looking for buried treasure before settling down at Castle Black.
I imagine Gared walking afoot in a daze, eyes dead with fear, and then somehow inexplicably (to himself) ending up at a holdfast near Winterfell.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
It seemed colder on the long ride back to Winterfell, though the wind had died by then and the sun was higher in the sky. Bran rode with his brothers, well ahead of the main party, his pony struggling hard to keep up with their horses.
Something about this quote reminds me of the prologue right after the Others have arrived. Is it meant to bring to mind the arrival of the Others? Are we supposed to be drawing a parallel between the Others and the Starks?
Will heard the breath go out of Ser Waymar Royce in a long hiss. “Come no farther,” the lordling warned. His voice cracked like a boy’s. He threw the long sable cloak back over his shoulders, to free his arms for battle, and took his sword in both hands. The wind had stopped. It was very cold.
I also really like the point that voice makes as well. Is Bran already sensing Summer?
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Why must I always be the isle of crazy alone in an ocean of sensibility? The should to everybody else’s shouldn’t? The I-will to their better-nots?
Oh yeah! Bran and Summer are connected from the moment the pup is in Bran's hands.
I'm thinking they were connected even before that, but there's no denying it once they make contact. That line where Bran gave a wordless cry of dismay confirms it.
But even before contact, Bran feels colder on the ride back to WF in spite of the sun being higher in the sky and the wind dying down. I think he's sensing Summer next to his dead mother. Jon already has his eyes open, and races ahead of the pack.
I can't help but wonder if Gared's death is the turning point. Gared escaped the Others, crossed the Wall, only to be beheaded by Lord Stark. Might that have stirred some old powers? Interestingly, at that point, Ned's three sons see Gared quite differently. Bran is bewildered, not even hearing the questions asked and answers given, and cold (yearning for summer?). Robb thinks Gared was brave, and acts with a hint of defiance. Jon's eyes are open, and sees that Gared was already dead with fear.
I fear we are getting ahead of ourselves though... Here are the next few, brief paragraphs. I can't help but notice in the first one, Robb curses, but confirms what Jon was saying... The Others did take his eyes... almost.
Robb was not impressed. "The Others take his eyes," he swore. "He died well. Race you to the bridge?"
"Done," Jon said, kicking his horse forward. Robb cursed and followed, and they galloped off down the trail, Robb laughing and hooting, Jon silent and intent. The hooves of their horses kicked up showers of snow as they went.
Bran did not try to follow. His pony could not keep up. He had seen the ragged man's eyes, and he was thinking of them now. After a while, the sound of Robb's laughter receded, and the woods grew silent again.
So deep in thought was he that he never heard the rest of the party until his father moved up to ride beside him. "Are you well, Bran?" he asked, not unkindly.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
I agree that Gared's being there seems like too much of a coincidence. Like a sacrifice or a marker.
Problem I have with it's being a sacrifice for the bond is that the only parallel I can think of in the books is Dany's sacrifice to get her dragons. Obviously there are differences between hatching dragons and bonding with wolves. But Dany paid. Is Ned paying by executing Gared? Are the kids paying? But still, they have their bond. And it's instantly strong.
Am thus wondering if Gared is less sacrifice and more marker. Am reminded again of the Sentinels with his being tied to the wall of the holdfast. Gared ran from his post. Now has to watch on the holdfast. Reminder of the oath.
But if he is a marker for the old gods, should Ned have executed him? Is there a clash between the execution for desertion of the Watch and a member of the Watch "performing" a duty for the old gods (whether he knows it or not)?
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
Am thus wondering if Gared is less sacrifice and more marker. Am reminded again of the Sentinels with his being tied to the wall of the holdfast. Gared ran from his post. Now has to watch on the holdfast. Reminder of the oath.
Eddard later explains to Cat that Gared was mad, and that his words could not reach him. I think he executed Gared in spite of not comprehending his last words, which would be a 'no-no' according to the Old Way of the Starks which he is about to explain to Bran...
But if he is a marker for the old gods, should Ned have executed him? Is there a clash between the execution for desertion of the Watch and a member of the Watch "performing" a duty for the old gods (whether he knows it or not)?
Bingo.
If you're familiar with my "three shadows in Bran's vision" thread at the W, you'll know I think that by executing Gared, Eddard seals his own fate... by the same sword. It now looms over them...
Omens, Ice, and a direwolf stuck with the pointy end.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
Eddard later explains to Cat that Gared was mad, and that his words could not reach him. I think he executed Gared in spite of not comprehending his last words, which would be a 'no-no' according to the Old Way of the Starks which he is about to explain to Bran...
There are a few sideways sacrifices re: Ned and the Starks. (Again reminding me of the Sentinels--really, what was the point of that?)
Ned's "sacrificing" Lady to appease Robert's need to quiet Cersei. Reminds me of the words Ned says before he executes Gared--in the name of Robert Baratheon, etc. This should be a rite for the old gods. Or be done under the authority of the King in the North or King of Winter. Ned's lost that knowledge. And helped put Robert in power to boot. (Robb sort of gets it back--sacrificing Karstark in front of the Riverrun heart tree in his own name). So, killing Lady is a sacrifice to the wrong king. A violation of family (Sansa is a child of Winterfell and the King of Winter). And a perversion of justice (Lady did nothing wrong).
Arya's "sacrifices" to the Red God, without knowing "why"--these are sacrifices without "justice." Blind devotion. Like Ned follows the rote order of execution even though Gared is incomprehensible. Arya's kills for "justice"--scares me for her psyche. But her actions go back to being not just blind sacrifices but kills based on a code of ethics and justice she's been taught. Can she manage better than Ned?
Sansa, like Arya, is involved in killing people for purposes NOT aligned with the gods. And she doesn't know she's part of killing Joffrey or Dontos until too late. Even though she meets Dontos in the godswood. Traces of sacrifice and justice, but without the substance needed. Same with the killing of Lyssa. Pushed through a weirwood door--but assuming the body falls onto rocks NOT intertwined with weirwood roots to drink blood (like Bran's cave or Dany's House of the Undying). And the sacrifice is not done from a sense of justice. Like Bran, Sansa is a just a witness.
Am now babbling. So, the point: this scene isn't just Ned having forgotten things. And setting Ned up to have forgotten even more. It ties in with at least some of his children trying to figure out their connections to justice and death and sacrifice. Robb and Jon do better than Sansa and Arya. And Sansa hasn't killed anyone directly--though her giving Robin Sweetsleep is like a slow-motion version of Arya giving drinks from the poison pool. And she's living in the place where Ned got distanced from his Winterfell ways.
The Starks SHOULD understand all of this. Ned IS following the basics. What's behind it all--he's lost sight of that. If he even actually knew.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
At one time, maybe on heresy, there was a discussion about death paying to open the third eye (in a did Bran die and come back kinda way). Anyway, to continue on that route, the direwolf mama pays for the pups' eyes, Gared pays for the Stark kids. The blood goes into the roots, sacrificed by the correct person( the S in W). I don't know that the words make much of a difference; magic is usually about intent, and Ned's intentions are good. I do think that sacrificing the magical Lady is Ned's mistake. He had no right: she is an innocent belonging to the old gods and his death avenges hers.
As for the Stark kids, Karstark stands out as clean in that it is over ground and to pay for an innocent death that stained the honor of the Stark. Osha sacrifices the Measter, to a weirwood, to pay for the kids' escape from death.(and in a way, so do the miller's sons) Rob dishonors himself with vow breaking and leaving the north, and pays. Arya thinks she is doing right; her revenge deaths are ok atm even though against the HoBaW teachings. Jon is doing everything right; his blood on the wall grounds should produce something interesting. I'm thinking his fate is to become one of the immortal Watchers.