Benjen Stark, the inquest. Close encounters of a cold kind.
Apr 11, 2017 0:47:16 GMT
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Post by arrysfleas on Apr 11, 2017 0:47:16 GMT
In my opinion what happened was that two groups of rangers from opposite sides of the wall met. I'm uncertain as to the motives of the WW's but I get the sense they were probably doing the exact same thing the humans were, tracking the wildlings.
two groups of rangers, the ice watch and the night watch? Possibly. But in that case perhaps the ice watch was patrolling the Fist.
The wildlings never used the Fist as an en masse camp. Perhaps they knew not to.
Oh my how you've wandered into the woods my friend, I could not disagree more The wall blocks only communication between wargs/skinchangers and their familiars while one is to the south and the other to the north. I would buy that the wall is there to prevent Stark wargs from gaining direwolf familiars but that's as far as I'll go.
Aren't these, alone, enough to demonstrate that the Wall was built to block wargs?
was Ghost stopped from 'seeing' his siblings when ghosting north if the Wall?
EXACTLY! And how did that knowledge begin to wane in the Seven Kingdoms, while it stayed strong north of them?
THE WALL!!!
there is a quote somewhere about the 7 kingdom people disregarding/distrusting skinchangers. So I'd say it is more a cultural shift than a a consequence of the Wall. The Andal religion and the rise of the maesters being at the root of it.
Order 66
you have both lost me...i am familiar with Route 66. I will stick to that one!
Now you point to the two NW wights that tried to merc LC Mormont as proof that the WW magic can penetrate the wall, I counter with, then why aren't all the dead at Castle Black being raised as wights? Simple explanation, the walls magic has weakened allowing two wights (who had already been turned) to operate on the other side, just two.
Men who fall in battle against the Others must be burned, or else the dead will rise again as their thralls."
Othor and Jafer rose south of the Wall because they fell in battle against the Others. All the other dead at Castle Black are not being raised as wights, because they did not fall to the Others.
Do we know whether all of the wights are men been killed by Others? or that some have also been killed by the Mist?
The wildlings burn the bodies of the dead regardless of them having been by Others, the Mist or non Other related causes.
Othor and Jafer were already wighted when found by Ghost. In day time, hence dormant. They were carried in their dormant state thru the Wall into Castle Black. When night came they revived. And continued their mission.
Whether they were guided/ice-changed during that 'mission', I am not sure. The wights have a smigeon of memory left in their bones (red blood cells still kicking) and the bones remember, so they may well have been on auto-pilot.
As I suggested, their mission may have been Ben Jen telling them: 'bury the horn and dragon glass' and go and report to the LC'.
Which what they tried to do....except of course that in the mean time they acquired a taste for warm flesh and blood.
pieceofgosa said:
So back in the day (pre age of heroes), a land bridge existed between Westeros & Essos, a physical link between the lands of ice & fire.Several issues here. First, the land bridge was destroyed thousands of years prior to the Long Night.
hmmm, that is speculative. The land bridge may have been finally severed as a result of the LN.