Anyone else feel like book-Loras still has an important part to play in fucking up book-Cersei's plans?
I hope so. If they make the Tyrell comeback entirely via Olenna, it would be ridiculous.
Olenna feels like she's largely done as a character in the books. The show stretched out her influence, but that felt very much the show reusing a fan favorite. In the books, I can't see her doing much at all beyond possibly treating with Arianne to arrange it so Margaery doesn't have to die when Aegon takes King's Landing. Beyond that, I don't see a reason for Olenna to enter the Ironborn invasion story, or end up at the Citadel, so yeah... I think Olenna is done in the books.
Every mom worth her salt knows how important those milestones are!
Every dad too.
But yeah, pretty hilarious to see Gilly's kid still swaddled like a newborn after a few years. But considering Gilly thought the "Sea" was called the "C" because it goes as far as the eye can "See," it's possible that her child inherited her prolongued 20-year period of infancy. Poor kid.
Wait. . . given the rest of the books, that's a really disturbing thought.
It is. But I think there might be something to this, actually.
This exchange has always stuck out to me:
A Game of Thrones - Jon I
Uncle Benjen studied his face carefully. "The Wall is a hard place for a boy, Jon."
"I am almost a man grown," Jon protested. "I will turn fifteen on my next name day, and Maester Luwin says bastards grow up faster than other children."
"That's true enough," Benjen said with a downward twist of his mouth. He took Jon's cup from the table, filled it fresh from a nearby pitcher, and drank down a long swallow.
Do bastards really grow up faster than other children? Unless the noble houses are so inbred that their genes are causing developmental delay in trueborns, it seems unlikely.
Yet, Maester Luwin, who regularly dismisses the superstitions of smallfolk/wildlings, told Jon this information. Benjen agrees, as if it is common knowledge.
Either prestonjacobs is right, and Westeros is an interregnum planet in which people are desparate for new genes, or Luwin and my favorite uncle are simply wrong.
Either way, it seems purposeful. Interregnum, or, something else. The 'something else' leads, I believe, to the timeline issue. Jon may be older than he thinks he is, or, at least, grew faster than Robb noticeably enough to require an explanation from Luwin.
Wraith, markg171, whitewolfstark... who else is good with [HASH]timelines? I'm having trouble remembering why it is significant that Jon is older than Robb, or older than he thinks he is.
Olenna feels like she's largely done as a character in the books. The show stretched out her influence, but that felt very much the show reusing a fan favorite. In the books, I can't see her doing much at all beyond possibly treating with Arianne to arrange it so Margaery doesn't have to die when Argon takes King's Landing. Beyond that, I don't see a reason for Olenna to enter the Ironborn invasion story, or end up at the Citadel, so yeah... I think Olenna is done in the books.
I agree. She has Highgarden, and Willas Tyrell to fuss over.
I'm starting to lose count of the number of betrothals Sansa has had to heirs of import...
There was Joffrey, Tyrion, Willas, Harry... am I missing anyone?
Tyrion was dispossessed, but he was the rightful heir to Casterly Rock.
I do think she and House Tyrell will ally with Aegon, regardless of Margaery's situation. Varys has played the game perfectly. Aegon will arrive in Westeros' time of need and will live Viserys' dream of the smallfolk rallying to him as the Great Houses dip their banners in salute. In fact, something along these lines makes sense as a prologue chapter in [HASH]TWOW.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
Every mom worth her salt knows how important those milestones are! Martin, the closet pediatrician.
Wait. . . given the rest of the books, that's a really disturbing thought.
Well, Sansa's a bit of a starlet. And starlets did keep slow lorises as pets for a while. Idiots! Wild animals are not pets!!!! I hope so. If they make the Tyrell comeback entirely via Olenna, it would be ridiculous.
Olenna feels like she's largely done as a character in the books. The show stretched out her influence, but that felt very much the show reusing a fan favorite. In the books, I can't see her doing much at all beyond possibly treating with Arianne to arrange it so Margaery doesn't have to die when Aegon takes King's Landing. Beyond that, I don't see a reason for Olenna to enter the Ironborn invasion story, or end up at the Citadel, so yeah... I think Olenna is done in the books.
I think she, Willas, and Garlan still have a role to play. At least with the Ironborn situation... and there possible Dornish connection.
voice, Jon is supposed to be younger than Robb. Since Ned was supposed to have him during the war. We know he and Cat produced Robb at Riverrun before Ned rode off to war. Whether Jon is older than Robb and Ned was covering it up is up for debate.
"No," Jon Snow said quietly. "It was not courage. This one was dead of fear. You could see it in his eyes, Stark." Jon's eyes were a grey so dark they seemed almost black, but there was little they did not see. He was of an age with Robb, but they did not look alike. Jon was slender where Robb was muscular, dark where Robb was fair, graceful and quick where his half brother was strong and fast.
Darkstar will be the next Vulture King.
Craster has 19 daughters and there are 19 castles on the Wall, coincidence I think not!
Olenna feels like she's largely done as a character in the books. The show stretched out her influence, but that felt very much the show reusing a fan favorite. In the books, I can't see her doing much at all beyond possibly treating with Arianne to arrange it so Margaery doesn't have to die when Aegon takes King's Landing. Beyond that, I don't see a reason for Olenna to enter the Ironborn invasion story, or end up at the Citadel, so yeah... I think Olenna is done in the books.
Would make a lot more sense if the other Tyrells show up,
Or perhaps the Hightowers via Alerie. . . get more of Dorne united against the Mad Queen.
I think she, Willas, and Garlan still have a role to play. At least with the Ironborn situation... and there possible Dornish connection.
Yes--if she were part of a contingency of Tyrells, it would make more sense. A lone actor? That makes little sense.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
But yeah, pretty hilarious to see Gilly's kid still swaddled like a newborn after a few years. But considering Gilly thought the "Sea" was called the "C" because it goes as far as the eye can "See," it's possible that her child inherited her prolongued 20-year period of infancy. Poor kid.
Either way, it seems purposeful. Interregnum, or, something else. The 'something else' leads, I believe, to the timeline issue. Jon may be older than he thinks he is, or, at least, grew faster than Robb noticeably enough to require an explanation from Luwin.
Yes--I never know what to do with that line. If it's just a way of explaining how children born with less privilege grow up faster to survive or if it's a clue. I wish I had more to go on.
It would. But considering she is aligning with the Sandsnakes, ridiculousness seems unavoidable.
At least they now have a good excuse to never to give the Death Pixies any lines--Olenna doesn't let them speak.
So, now all they can do is sulk. Which they do very well.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
Yes--I never know what to do with that line. If it's just a way of explaining how children born with less privilege grow up faster to survive or if it's a clue. I wish I had more to go on.
Story of the series, isn't it?
But yeah, tough to allocate that line right? Jon's eyes alone were open, bastards had to learn to see the truth in things... yadda yadda. But did Jon grow up considerably/noticably faster than Robb?
Were Benjen and Luwin complicit in Ned's lies regarding Jon's birth? Or is it a factual assessment of bastard development?
Joffrey was taller than Jon or Robb, to Jon's vast dismay I seem to recall. Joffrey too was a bastard. And it seems he grey fast. Tommen grew fat, so that might qualify.
I actually had Paris Hilton in my head--which isn't fair. Sansa never kept Lady in her purse.
I'd rather she did. Paris Hilton never betrayed her sister to protect an abusive boyfriend, nor condemned any wolf pups to death... (that I know of) LOL
But yeah, tough to allocate that line right? Jon's eyes alone were open, bastards had to learn to see the truth in things... yadda yadda. But did Jon grow up considerably/noticably faster than Robb?
Were Benjen and Luwin complicit in Ned's lies regarding Jon's birth? Or is it a factual assessment of bastard development?
Joffrey was taller than Jon or Robb, to Jon's vast dismay I seem to recall. Joffrey too was a bastard. And it seems he grey fast. Tommen grew fat, so that might qualify.
I tend to assess it as "maturing emotionally." Which is odd, since Jon doesn't seem to have done so in relation to Robb. .. maybe a bit, but not too much.
Still, until we get more info on Harrenhal and Robert's Rebellion, who knows? Fortunately the showrunners seem interested in giving us backstory lately.
I'd rather she did. Paris Hilton never betrayed her sister to protect an abusive boyfriend, nor condemned any wolf pups to death... (that I know of) LOL
First watch, I thought Oleanna could redeem the Sandsnakes.
Upon the rewatch, even the sight of them made me angrily roll my eyes. Unless we get to see Drogon liquify them soon, me no likey. LOL
So, they could take Quentyn's storyline? I'm liking this idea.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
I'm agreeing pretty heavily with the assessment of Sansa's writing this season. And the scenes with Jaime and Edmure and Blackfish.
And if they don't send Jaqen to Oldtown and have SOME kind of clear agenda for the Faceless men, then I'll consider the entire time in the House of Black and White a waste. What on earth was the point????
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.