Post by Wraith on Mar 9, 2018 4:43:59 GMT
Mar 8, 2018 22:50:09 GMT lynn said:
A Feast for Crows - Cersei VI
"—could be undone." She let that hang there, waiting for the High Sparrow to rise to the bait.
He did not disappoint her. "The Faith Militant reborn . . . that would be the answer to three hundred years of prayer, Your Grace. The Warrior would lift his shining sword again and cleanse this sinful realm of all its evil. If His Grace were to allow me to restore the ancient blessed orders of the Sword and Star, every godly man in the Seven Kingdoms would know him to be our true and rightful lord."
"—could be undone." She let that hang there, waiting for the High Sparrow to rise to the bait.
He did not disappoint her. "The Faith Militant reborn . . . that would be the answer to three hundred years of prayer, Your Grace. The Warrior would lift his shining sword again and cleanse this sinful realm of all its evil. If His Grace were to allow me to restore the ancient blessed orders of the Sword and Star, every godly man in the Seven Kingdoms would know him to be our true and rightful lord."
The Faith Militant goes back further than 300 years. It was actually disbanded by King Jaerhaerys, so it has been out of order for close to 300 years.
I think you are mistaking the Warrior and the Shining Sword, it isn't a group. Just the god the Warrior and his identifying item the Sword.
Now the Faith Militant is divided into two orders. The Warriors Sons aka the Swords and the Poor Fellow aka the Stars.
Mar 8, 2018 22:50:09 GMT lynn said:
A Feast for Crows - Cersei VI
Lady Merryweather shared the queen's delight, though she had never heard of the Warrior's Sons or the Poor Fellows. "They date from before Aegon's Conquest," Cersei explained to her. "The Warrior's Sons were an order of knights who gave up their lands and gold and swore their swords to His High Holiness. The Poor Fellows . . . they were humbler, though far more numerous. Begging brothers of a sort, though they carried axes instead of bowls. They wandered the roads, escorting travelers from sept to sept and town to town. Their badge was the seven-pointed star, red on white, so the smallfolk named them Stars. The Warrior's Sons wore rainbow cloaks and inlaid silver armor over hair shirts, and bore star-shaped crystals in the pommels of their longswords. They were the Swords. Holy men, ascetics, fanatics, sorcerers, dragonslayers, demonhunters . . . there were many tales about them. But all agree that they were implacable in their hatred for all enemies of the Holy Faith."
Lady Merryweather shared the queen's delight, though she had never heard of the Warrior's Sons or the Poor Fellows. "They date from before Aegon's Conquest," Cersei explained to her. "The Warrior's Sons were an order of knights who gave up their lands and gold and swore their swords to His High Holiness. The Poor Fellows . . . they were humbler, though far more numerous. Begging brothers of a sort, though they carried axes instead of bowls. They wandered the roads, escorting travelers from sept to sept and town to town. Their badge was the seven-pointed star, red on white, so the smallfolk named them Stars. The Warrior's Sons wore rainbow cloaks and inlaid silver armor over hair shirts, and bore star-shaped crystals in the pommels of their longswords. They were the Swords. Holy men, ascetics, fanatics, sorcerers, dragonslayers, demonhunters . . . there were many tales about them. But all agree that they were implacable in their hatred for all enemies of the Holy Faith."
Interesting to note that they aren't giantslayers as well. Even though the Andals were supposed to help wipe out the last of the giants and the COTF from below the Wall.
However I think it would be interesting to note if the Andals did have a group of warriors specifically trained to fight the supernatural.
I mean each of the other major religious clearly have some kind of magical power. The Old Gods have their greenseers and wargs (druids). The faith of Rhllor has their Red Priest/ess (sorcerers or warlocks). Why can't the Faith of the Seven have the Warriors Son's (Paladins)?
Also as far as the Faith of the Seven having connection to stars it has been a part of the Faith since Hugor Hill.
Mar 8, 2018 22:50:09 GMT lynn said:
I'm also curious about the High Sparrow's gesture - making a steeple of his hands and looking towards heaven.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FingerTenting?from=Main.ClaspYourHandsIfYouDeceive
This perhaps, I have thoughts on what the High Sparrow is planning.
However, I do wonder about how long House Dayne has been in Westeros versus the Faith of the Seven? I would say that the Dayne's have called Westeros home far longer than the Faith or the Andal's have been in Westeros, thousands of years more. Now, is that a hint that the sword Dawn and the Dayne's perhaps came to Westeros first, and eventually the Andal's followed and brought their faith? With the things you have highlighted from the text, it makes it seems like a good fit for the possibility of Dawn to have a crystal or diamond, probably in it's pommel, which the Faith reveres and mimics in their religious practice and imagery.
I do believe that the Dayne's predate the Andals in Westeros. Then again the Andals like to tell us that there were knights in the Age of Heroes, so they have certainly revised history to be more aligned with their faith.
I like this line of thinking and I want to bring up another sword.
Nightfall, the Valyrian Steel sword carried by Harras "The Knight" Harlaw has a moonstone in the pommel.
I could see Dawn having a dark crystal of some sort in the pommel. Also isn't it interesting that both Dawn and
Mar 8, 2018 22:50:09 GMT lynn said:
I think the faith of the seven or specifically the Faith Militant is an appropriation of the mythos involving some earlier group of warriors who banded together. The notion that they number demon hunters, dragon slayers and sorcerers in their company speaks to a time before the Faith of the Seven.It does indeed. However the dragonslayer bit vs say giantslayer means it could have just as easily been a Andalousian based group. I'm sure the Andals fought the Valyrians at some point. I have often thought the reason the Andals migrated was to get away from the might of the Valyrian freehold.
Then again I wonder if the Order of the Greenhand has some part in this whole thing.