AGOT Chapter 3 - Daenerys I

Yep, here is where the Dany doubts start. The silk frightening her: either traumatic memories are attached to silk, or the return of silk makes her aware that she is the coinage.
Her brother has had his 'royalty' enforced enough that he doesn't have any problems being given things. Dany has not. Why? She should be raised as his sister-queen.

Judging by the overwhelming majority of the fandom's beliefs, Dany's first chapter is a masterpiece by GRRM IMO. It sets up an entire wrongful impression of Dany because the reader's not aware at all about the mistakes and pieces that she talks about that don't add up until later info is revealed to the reader which shows that something is really wrong with Dany had relayed back in Dany 1.

On it's own, there's not that much wrong with the chapter because you're seeing it all through how Dany understands the information she's relaying to the reader and Dany herself knows of nothing wrong with it. So the information seems legit because Dany says it is. But well, when you get other POVs to comment on the same topics, it becomes swiftly apparent that Dany doesn't really know what she's talking about in certain areas. The "midnight flight" that took Viserys to Dragonstone by itself means nothing until Jaime remembers watching Rhaella, who Eddard in another chapter in AGOT mentions left with Viserys and Darry for Dragonstone, left in the morning and not and night. And never mentions Viserys or Darry leaving with her. The "lemon tree in Braavos" by itself means nothing until we get POVs in Braavos and realize that Braavos is the completely wrong climate for lemon trees. Dany's itinerary of all the places she visited growing up means nothing until you find out that the order makes no sense when it's revealed where those places are in relation to one another, as well as Dany remembering travelling to Braavos when she said she only went once. Willem Darry's soft hands by themselves mean nothing until Barristan reveals that he was the master-at-arms at the Red Keep and we get all the references to swordplay causing rough hands. Etc.

And then there's all the stuff that doesn't make much sense just by itself that's found in this chapter. Why would the servants rob Viserys and Dany but not steal their treasures that were worth so much that they managed to then live another 8 years off the coin from them? How did Willem Darry die of a wasting sickness if he was a "great grey bear of a man" - shouldn't he be you know, wasting away and shrinking if that's what was killing him? How can Dany have lived with Illyrio for 6 months but never worn anything fancy in that time? Etc.

Dany 1 is full of red flags, some outright in themselves, and some that won't be revealed to be such until later.

When the series is done Dany 1 will be looked back as the moment where GRRM tricked the majority of the fandom into believing that he wouldn't put any "wrong" information into an opening chapter because it's supposed to be our introduction to that person's story and we need to know everything to pick it up quickly. That's exactly why there's mistakes in it however; it gets ingrained into the reader's mind as "safe" knowledge because they "trust" that this information is correct when the reality's that GRRM has no intentions of building Dany's story to be correct in the first place. He's laying false foundations because he's going to be laying false walls and a false roof later until there's one big false house that he can gleefully smash down when the time's right.

This is interesting and  ::i agree:: . It's something that you don't notice the first time through but does begin to become more apparent with subsequent rereading. Each piece is contradicted in separate sections so it can be difficult to put it all together.
I'd like to echo the sentiment's of voice and ask that you please help us to recognize any we might miss.

Yep, our author has a strange view of the sexuality of his creations. Blech.

DING DING DING!!!

This is a big red flag. We find out later from Illyrian that they had to post a guard to stop Viserys from "claiming" Dany before her wedding. And Dany remembers Viserys blaming her for not being born earlier so she could marry Rhaegar. And then she blamed him (Viserys) for not being a girl--and he beat her.

So, they've conversed on this. On how Targs marry siblings. And they are the only siblings--so, why in the name of all that's holy, has she not been thinking she'd be his queen?



Right--she's seeing the warning signs where he is not. If that's the case in a "civilized" city where they both know the rules, this should have been a big indicator that Viserys would never make it.

But Illyrio later tells Tyrion he didn't expect Dany to make it. Sounds like Illyrio's either lying to Tyron or himself. Or just MASSIVELY underestimated Dany and thus any of his plans should not be trusted.

Huh--does Varys know how badly Illyrio miscalculated?

Jealous?


Yes--this is one of the chapters early on that made me at Martin's writing. Didn't we have a thread on this problem somewhere?