How about Reek and Fake Arya's fall from the Winterfell walls, ending those identities and bringing back Theon and Jeyne Poole?
wasn't that only on the show? but if falling is a symbol, like people's hands getting cut off in star wars, perhaps they picked up on a pattern..
Nope, they jumped from Winterfell's ringwall in the book as well. But I can't remember if it was the inner, outer, or both. Seems like it was just the outer but my memory is fuzzy.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
How about Reek and Fake Arya's fall from the Winterfell walls, ending those identities and bringing back Theon and Jeyne Poole?
wasn't that only on the show? but if falling is a symbol, like people's hands getting cut off in star wars, perhaps they picked up on a pattern..
Now I'm going to get OT. Do you realize how many people are noted to have lost or received damage to hands/arms in ASOIAF? It puts Star Wars to shame.
Why must I always be the isle of crazy alone in an ocean of sensibility? The should to everybody elseโs shouldnโt? The I-will to their better-nots?
Seems like it was just the outer but my memory is fuzzy.
Just the outer. Into the snow banks.
Why must I always be the isle of crazy alone in an ocean of sensibility? The should to everybody elseโs shouldnโt? The I-will to their better-nots?
Nope, they jumped from Winterfell's ringwall in the book as well. But I can't remember if it was the inner, outer, or both. Seems like it was just the outer but my memory is fuzzy.
They were on the outer wall. After the last spear wife is shot, she says, "archers on the inner wall" and then dies. Or collapses. And Theon realizes it's all up to him, knows that if they are caught "they" (seems himself as allied with Jeyne) will be given to Ramsay. So he grabs Jeyne and jumps.
But Theon's sacrifice also reads to me like Jaime's sacrifice for Brienne (jumping into the bear pit). He's not just saving her, but also himself. As is Theon.
Or, to a lesser extent, Jaime's sending Brienne after Sansa. Or releasing Tyrion--risking a lot for the sake of another. But also to save himself from himself. And I suppose Ramsay is the darkest version of Theon and Jon combined--the bastard with no loyalty. Taking over Winterfell. And it takes a sacrifice to bring such a creature down.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
Mojo, voice, SlyWren,OK, One of you all need to dumb this thread down a bit for me. I can't seem to follow you all for the life of me.
I think we got onto a bit of a tangent with the Martells--though I think it's related.
But the basic idea: sacrificial falls and how they work--intended or unintended falls, literal or figurative falls, etc. I think.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
Mojo, voice, SlyWren,OK, One of you all need to dumb this thread down a bit for me. I can't seem to follow you all for the life of me.
I think we got onto a bit of a tangent with the Martells--though I think it's related.
But the basic idea: sacrificial falls and how they work--intended or unintended falls, literal or figurative falls, etc. I think.
I dunno. I started talking about a fall, then moved my post because I figured I'd mod myself for derailing my own thread. It just evolved. I'm already over it.
โNever forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armour yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you.โ โ George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones
then moved my post because I figured I'd mod myself for derailing my own thread
Very meta.
But if we include "figurative" falls--I'm assuming Maester Aemon on the Wall counts, yes? And I'm wondering if Coldhands will end up counting, too.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
then moved my post because I figured I'd mod myself for derailing my own thread
Very meta.
But if we include "figurative" falls--I'm assuming Maester Aemon on the Wall counts, yes? And I'm wondering if Coldhands will end up counting, too.
What do you mean by Aemon & Coldhands falling figuratively? I think I recall a quote somewhere where Aemon was telling Jon three times his vows were tested. We know one was for him to be king, possibly another was because of Dany and Varys, but never figured out the third.
You think Coldhands is a fallen ranger? Mance certainly was, and Jon did when he broke his vows. Jon Snow may have suffered a fall as well, and who knows how he'll end up waking up.
โNever forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armour yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you.โ โ George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones
Maybe Jon's 'death' and fall from LC will be the sacrifice to enable him to return to WF. Just hope he doesn't end up at war with Rickon or something, which is something Cat forecasted, I believe.
โNever forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armour yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you.โ โ George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones
There's the stark maiden at the end of the Bael the Bard tale
I actually have a question about this: Which Tower did the maid fall from? I always took it to be the same tower Bran fell from, but he lived, but the maid did not, while he is a kid and more fragile than a grown up. Also, was the death of the maid the reason they abandoned the tower?
What do you mean by Aemon & Coldhands falling figuratively? I think I recall a quote somewhere where Aemon was telling Jon three times his vows were tested. We know one was for him to be king, possibly another was because of Dany and Varys, but never figured out the third.
For Aemon, I meant the willing self-sacrifice. Not taking the crown. Less a "fall" than a refusal to climb, I guess.
You think Coldhands is a fallen ranger? Mance certainly was, and Jon did when he broke his vows. Jon Snow may have suffered a fall as well, and who knows how he'll end up waking up.
Yes--isn't there that line about Mance flying down form the Wall? Or crows in general flying down?
On Coldhands--he fell somehow--dead, after all. Was it a failing? A self-sacrifice? Not sure. . . but he seems like a sacrifice of some sort. Can act and help the Watch--but can't use that Gate.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.