Right--but the article only speculates that it was an accident. If it were an accident, why on earth is it still up?
No. . . for now at least, I think they are messing with us.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to find my tinfoil hat!
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
Lol, sorry not a joke. I would say that in this case HBO = D&D. HBO released the graphic so they must have received confirmation from D&D.
ETA: I would question it too if it wasn't their official HBO blog.
What i was getting at is specifically HBO actually in the know on what "GRRM" intended for book canon.Show canon is another.D&D could tell HBO what "they" want.
Gotchya. I just didn't think this would be a book-to-show change since it's such a big deal.
The blade was Valyrian steel, spell-forged and dark as smoke. Nothing held an edge like Valyrian steel.
And Jon Snow is dead.This is all publicity.They accidentally realeased this...yeah right.
They were technically right. lol He was dead, just had to be brought back. I can see why they did what they did for that plot point, but I don't see a reason for them being that way about this.
The blade was Valyrian steel, spell-forged and dark as smoke. Nothing held an edge like Valyrian steel.
They were technically right. lol He was dead, just had to be brought back. I can see why they did what they did for that plot point, but I don't see a reason for them being that way about this.
But they also had Kit give interviews explicitly saying he wasn't coming back to the show--no equivocating in some of those interviews at all. They trolled us hard.
As for why to do it about this: with Jon's death, they knew most book fans thought he'd return. They wanted it to be suspenseful. hell, they may even have hoped Martin would have Winds out and wanted to let him do the reveal. So, they told us what we believed wasn't true.
But with RLJ--they are WELL aware that many if not most book fans believe it. And that many if not most viewers have heard of it. If they want the paternity to be a surprise (which seems likely since they didn't' confirm it on the show), then let readers believe what they already do. Don't push back too hard. Then, if it isn't Rhaegar, it's a surprise.
And yes--I realize I just gave a psychoanalysis of show strategy for a show that gave us the Dornish Pixies. Which may be the definition of insanity.
But they didn't reveal it in the show for some reason. If they had no reason not to reveal it in the show, they should just get it over with. Two for one. And move on to why it matters.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
But they also had Kit give interviews explicitly saying he wasn't coming back to the show--no equivocating in some of those interviews at all. They trolled us hard.
As for why to do it about this: with Jon's death, they knew most book fans thought he'd return. They wanted it to be suspenseful. hell, they may even have hoped Martin would have Winds out and wanted to let him do the reveal. So, they told us what we believed wasn't true.
But with RLJ--they are WELL aware that many if not most book fans believe it. And that many if not most viewers have heard of it. If they want the paternity to be a surprise (which seems likely since they didn't' confirm it on the show), then let readers believe what they already do. Don't push back too hard. Then, if it isn't Rhaegar, it's a surprise.
And yes--I realize I just gave a psychoanalysis of show strategy for a show that gave us the Dornish Pixies. Which may be the definition of insanity.
But they didn't reveal it in the show for some reason. If they had no reason not to reveal it in the show, they should just get it over with. Two for one. And move on to why it matters.
Haha! It's what we do. We have 7 months until the next season and fuck knows how long until the next book. Maybe that's why they did it, to give us something to talk about. This is their sick game. When you play the game of trolls you laugh or get laughed at.
They were technically right. lol He was dead, just had to be brought back. I can see why they did what they did for that plot point, but I don't see a reason for them being that way about this.
But they also had Kit give interviews explicitly saying he wasn't coming back to the show--no equivocating in some of those interviews at all. They trolled us hard.
As for why to do it about this: with Jon's death, they knew most book fans thought he'd return. They wanted it to be suspenseful. hell, they may even have hoped Martin would have Winds out and wanted to let him do the reveal. So, they told us what we believed wasn't true.
But with RLJ--they are WELL aware that many if not most book fans believe it. And that many if not most viewers have heard of it. If they want the paternity to be a surprise (which seems likely since they didn't' confirm it on the show), then let readers believe what they already do. Don't push back too hard. Then, if it isn't Rhaegar, it's a surprise.
And yes--I realize I just gave a psychoanalysis of show strategy for a show that gave us the Dornish Pixies. Which may be the definition of insanity.
But they didn't reveal it in the show for some reason. If they had no reason not to reveal it in the show, they should just get it over with. Two for one. And move on to why it matters.
Dunno, the show's idea of 'suspense' (at least for this last season, haven't really been following the previous ones, only sporadically) seems to be: 'Wait, why did they do that? Doesn't make sense unless there's some clever twist coming!' ... 'Hmmm, not looking good, but there's still some chance of a clever twist' ... 'pleaseletitmakesense pleaseletitmakesense' ... 'Nope, they went with the obvious and stupid AGAIN'
In other words, if they seem to be setting up RLJ in an obvious way (which they do), then RLJ it is ... even while they're still leaving a tiny possibility of it not being the case. (And I'm not saying RLJ is necessarily stupid, but the show is almost guarenteed to do it in a stupid way)
They were technically right. lol He was dead, just had to be brought back. I can see why they did what they did for that plot point, but I don't see a reason for them being that way about this.
In the case of Kit/Jon Snow they flat put lied.They said that was it,je's dead,aint coming back to the show.Kit apologized for f**cking with people afterwards.I mean seriously how does one accidentally leak this? They can't.It isn't like writing a messed up email to someone just for the hell of it,telling yourself your not going to press send,but mistakenly press send. This here is pure publicity and f**king around with the fans.It keeps this shit relevant for another year.
Also,we have no idea Jon's state at the end of Dance.Guys we really have to try and keep these two things separate.Jon could be dead in need of resurrection( which Mel doesn't even have the concept of doing in the books by the way) or he could just be as Bran saw him in his vision....Dying.
But they also had Kit give interviews explicitly saying he wasn't coming back to the show--no equivocating in some of those interviews at all. They trolled us hard.
Word!!!
"The world is full of obvious things which nobody by any chance ever observes"--Sherlock Holmes"
They were technically right. lol He was dead, just had to be brought back. I can see why they did what they did for that plot point, but I don't see a reason for them being that way about this.
In the case of Kit/Jon Snow they flat put lied.They said that was it,je's dead,aint coming back to the show.Kit apologized for f**cking with people afterwards.I mean seriously how does one accidentally leak this? They can't.It isn't like writing a messed up email to someone just for the hell of it,telling yourself your not going to press send,but mistakenly press send. This here is pure publicity and f**king around with the fans.It keeps this shit relevant for another year.
Also,we have no idea Jon's state at the end of Dance.Guys we really have to try and keep these two things separate.Jon could be dead in need of resurrection( which Mel doesn't even have the concept of doing in the books by the way) or he could just be as Bran saw him in his vision....Dying.
But they also had Kit give interviews explicitly saying he wasn't coming back to the show--no equivocating in some of those interviews at all. They trolled us hard.
Word!!!
If I gave the impression that I was not keeping the books and show separate re Jon, I apologize for my miscommunication. When I said he was dead and had to be resurrected I was specifically speaking of the show. So when D&D et al said JS was dead, I was agreeing based on a technicality. I wasn't saying it was right, or cool, or that i even liked it, but was an accurate representation of his state.
The blade was Valyrian steel, spell-forged and dark as smoke. Nothing held an edge like Valyrian steel.
In the case of Kit/Jon Snow they flat put lied.They said that was it,je's dead,aint coming back to the show.Kit apologized for f**cking with people afterwards.I mean seriously how does one accidentally leak this? They can't.It isn't like writing a messed up email to someone just for the hell of it,telling yourself your not going to press send,but mistakenly press send. This here is pure publicity and f**king around with the fans.It keeps this shit relevant for another year.
Also,we have no idea Jon's state at the end of Dance.Guys we really have to try and keep these two things separate.Jon could be dead in need of resurrection( which Mel doesn't even have the concept of doing in the books by the way) or he could just be as Bran saw him in his vision....Dying.
Word!!!
If I gave the impression that I was not keeping the books and show separate re Jon, I apologize for my miscommunication. When I said he was dead and had to be resurrected I was specifically speaking of the show. So when D&D et al said JS was dead, I was agreeing based on a technicality. I wasn't saying it was right, or cool, or that i even liked it, but was an accurate representation of his state.
Oh no hun i wasn't singling you out.It was for all of us really...Lol
On another note, chart guy don't know shit? Another reason to use it as toilet paper in a pinch and not as affirming any theory or another.
Wuh happen to Cersie and Tyrion? They were on another chart or something?
Why is the Targs labled "The royal family" equipped with crowns and Robert doesn't have one?Did they forget the name that sits atop the throne?Who the royal family is.
Post by regular jon umber on Jul 1, 2016 6:46:15 GMT
I must say, as an OG R+L=J hater, I'm done denying. I feel like we're just being stubborn. I think, rather than focusing on different parentages, we should maybe try to figure out how to patch the RLJ holes.
Post by maestercambodia on Jul 1, 2016 12:22:54 GMT
The whole Dead Jon thing was a massive damp squib. We pretty much all expected him to be reanimated and he was, so no surprise there; the manner of his return - a mumble and a haircut - was massively underwhelming, and worst of all his character has changed not one iota. Thus, I have no expectations re. the resolution of Jon's parentage - probably we'll get a weak bit of dialogue telling us what most suspected for years, yeah R is the dad.
OR .... how about a thought I don't think anyone has raised yet ....
D&D honestly don't know at this juncture. They're waiting for TWOW to be finalised, or at least for GRRM to tell them definitively who the father is so they can get on and prepare that part of the script. Propping up Dawn at the end of the bed was a way to keep their options open (altho' I'm still in the 'Arthur = Dad' camp).
I must say, as an OG R+L=J hater, I'm done denying. I feel like we're just being stubborn. I think, rather than focusing on different parentages, we should maybe try to figure out how to patch the RLJ holes.
Being stubborn? Or adhering to the books and just common sense.D&D don't know.The very fact that GRRM asked them that question and they gave the answer they gave and he gave the answer he did proves that.
They have not come out and said GRRM told them this because he hasn't.They assume they have it right which is the whole point from GRRM's view i think when he replied "they answered correctly" with respect to Jon's mom.Not that they got it right.They "answered" correctly.
GRRM, D&D, and Bryan Cogman had a week long meeting in 2013 to discuss what GRRM had written thus far of WoW, as well as to lay out a rough plot map for various character endings. It's from this, for example, that they learned that Hodor is "Hold the Door," a reveal GRRM acknowledges he'd been waiting to do for over 20 years, and was disappointed (in himself) for being beaten by the show.
While I might buy that the show hasn't confirmed the "R" part of RLJ, I don't believe that D&D don't know who Jon's parents are, because that's one of the few concrete answers that GRRM can provide, and while GRRM may be unprofessional when it comes to procrastinating, I have no reason to believe that he's operating dishonestly with HBO in this highly lucrative project just for the sake of protecting a plot point.
Haha! It's what we do. We have 7 months until the next season and fuck knows how long until the next book. Maybe that's why they did it, to give us something to talk about. This is their sick game. When you play the game of trolls you laugh or get laughed at.
HA! And, like the game of thrones, there is no way to win the game of trolls.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.