What did Lyanna say?

Well, if they bring in a huge backstory where Rhaegar and Lyanna were in contact between Harrenhal and her disappearance, I could maybe see it. But that seems very unlikely given how we've been told the raven messaging works in Westeros--via the Maesters.

I was talking about the book-version of RLJ having more holes than story... but yes, the show will likely not fuss over such issues. Which, again, makes it seem really odd that they featured Arthur Dayne is such a prominent way in the third episode this season.

Why was that part of the story important to include, if RLJ? It could have been a few nameless/Dawn-less kingsguard. No dialogue required other than the "Our prince wanted us here..."

If they are going with RLJ, I don't understand why they would have set it up this way. But then, they are not exactly masters of storytelling.

Or if he ended up with her (per my Tywin theory)--saved her from her attackers and she fell for him that way. . . those scenarios could work.

They could indeed. I still think Lyanna was not abucted, and therefore required no rescue from anyone other than herself... but I do agree those saving-scenarios could work.

Dawnaholics Anonymous--we need a new book.

Furrealz.

HBO is doing their best, but their best is pretty damn bad in terms of depth and continuity. :/

In the meantime, I highly reccomend his other writings, particulary the 1000 Worlds short-stories stuff. It feels like ASOIAF. You'll meet Lyanna several times (as well as several interesting archetypes for her lover), an older Jon, Varys, Melisandre, Khal Drogo and his bloodriders, the Others, wights, and even visit places that mirror Winterfell, King's Landing, the House of the Undying, and you'll find yourself skinchanging and greenseeing more times than you can count.

Or by an "astute" fellow who knows Lyanna skin changed the mama wolf.

LOL! I wish!

Or a gun-jumping soul who made the graphic before the final episode aired.

I think there can be no doubt that guns were jumped. (As were sandsnakes, obsidian daggers, and sharks.)

And, by SSM, Dawn's waits at Starfall for until the next Sword of the Morning shall rise. Meaning--someone's a-comin'.

Someone indeed. A swordsman worthy of the blade. Ned, was not... nor was Howland Reed. It seems a missing presence in Westeros that dates to the Dawn of Days. A presence missing for seventeen years... hmm...

An odd factoid I stumbled onto in the Westeros Wiki while looking for something else--they updated the wiki, to interesting results.

awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Jon_Snow#Parentage

Fans of the series speculate about his parentage, with a large number believing that his true parentage is likely to be Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen.[50]

In the Season 6 finale episode of Game of Thrones, titled "The WInds of Winter", this theory is confirmed to be true in the television series at least, as Bran sees the dying Lyanna giving baby Jon to her brother Eddard and making him swear to protect her child.

The bolded. . . huh. They give the statement and then the proof.

I find their "proof" a bit lacking. . . suggestive, but lacking.

Confirmed?!

Kindred gun-jumping spirits.

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Jul 15, 2016 14:52:57 GMT DarkSister1001 said:

Every time I see this thread title, in my head it is said just like "what did the fox say?" lol

OMG! I do the exact same thing! Too funny.

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Jul 15, 2016 18:01:24 GMT Lady Dyanna said:

OMG! I do the exact same thing! Too funny.

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Gering-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding!

OMG, it's right there! Lyanna said that Jon is the ring barer!

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Post by SlyWren on Jul 15, 2016 22:50:06 GMT

I was talking about the book-version of RLJ having more holes than story... but yes, the show will likely not fuss over such issues. Which, again, makes it seem really odd that they featured Arthur Dayne is such a prominent way in the third episode this season.

And featured his sword in two episodes this season in direct relation to Ned, Lyanna, and Jon.

Why was that part of the story important to include, if RLJ? It could have been a few nameless/Dawn-less kingsguard. No dialogue required other than the "Our prince wanted us here..."

YUP! If the scene was about the nobility of the kingsguard at their post, Bran and Bloodraven's narration and facial expressions make little sense.

A few nameless kingsguard dying nobly would have made the point just fine. The heavy handed narration belies that interp.

If they are going with RLJ, I don't understand why they would have set it up this way. But then, they are not exactly masters of storytelling.

Well, to Wraith point, I don't know why they set Dorne up as they did. Or, to @marg171 point, I don't get why they did Stannis as they did.

But to name Arthur but not the other guy and to put that breakfast cereal sigil on Dawn--why on earth bother unless they are going to do something with it?

They could indeed. I still think Lyanna was not abucted, and therefore required no rescue from anyone other than herself... but I do agree those saving-scenarios could work.

All fair. But I tend to think the wolf blood that got her in trouble was the lust that got her pregnant. At that point, she was in rather a fix--afraid to go home. If she'd been "rescued" like Arya was by Yoren or even by the Brotherhood, her wolf blood wouldn't have hurt her. It's the pregnancy that likely made Lyanna dead before her time.

Someone indeed. A swordsman worthy of the blade. Ned, was not... nor was Howland Reed. It seems a missing presence in Westeros that dates to the Dawn of Days. A presence missing for seventeen years... hmm...

YUP!

Confirmed?!

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Well, we're all just interpreting what we read and see. So, all fair. I just can't see the heft in their evidence.

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And featured his sword in two episodes this season in direct relation to Ned, Lyanna, and Jon.

Yup! Ned's guilt trifecta: Arthur, Lyanna, Jon...

And notice the way they cast/directed Arthur Dayne.

Who did he remind you of?

He didn't seem much like Tyrion. Or Bronn. Or Theon. Or Jaime. Or Barristan. Or even Robb.

He seemed like Sean Bean in Season 1. Contemplative. Haunted. Regretful.

AKA, Jon in Season 6.

Why did they have him act that way?

Well, I think it's because the tower of joy fundamentally changed Ned. Ned was under the influence of Jon Arryn and Robert Baratheon up until and throughout the Rebellion.

Jon Arryn and Robert Baratheon would not have built those cairns, and I doubt they would have returned Dawn to Starfall.

Jaime Lannister somehow became the Smiling Knight, and Eddard Stark somehow became Arthur Dayne.

What made Ned go to Starfall instead of Winterfell?

The sword is not enough, particularly if he had Jon and Lyanna's body in custody.

YUP! If the scene was about the nobility of the kingsguard at their post, Bran and Bloodraven's narration and facial expressions make little sense.

A few nameless kingsguard dying nobly would have made the point just fine. The heavy handed narration belies that interp.

Agreed, the dialogue and expressions of Bran and BR would be completly useless if they are going with RLJ. And notice that in the show, BR is not BR. He isn't a Targaryen. He was just an old man, who is now dead. If R+L=J, that seems an awful waste of a character who might explain Jon's purpose as a Targaryen bastard, or king.

Well, to Wraith point, I don't know why they set Dorne up as they did. Or, to @marg171 point, I don't get why they did Stannis as they did.

True. You can't fix stupid. I never really cared much for Stannis, but now I feel really bad for him. He goes missing in combat and Davos spends his time stroking Jon's cock. Shireen is burned at the stake, and suddenly Davos remembers the Baratheon family. Fuck that. And fuck Jon for letting Melisandre live after burning a little girl.

But to name Arthur but not the other guy and to put that breakfast cereal sigil on Dawn--why on earth bother unless they are going to do something with it?

Preach! Very Bran-flakes-y, no?

"Corn?!" ...Summer's sweet children.

When the Night is Long, you need Dawn. Not fire and blood.

All fair. But I tend to think the wolf blood that got her in trouble was the lust that got her pregnant. At that point, she was in rather a fix--afraid to go home. If she'd been "rescued" like Arya was by Yoren or even by the Brotherhood, her wolf blood wouldn't have hurt her. It's the pregnancy that likely made Lyanna dead before her time.

Ned seems to disagree with you regarding the harmful nature of wolf-blood:

'The wolf blood,' my father used to call it. Lyanna had a touch of it, and my brother Brandon more than a touch. It brought them both to an early grave."

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As she led the princess to the fire, Arianne found Ser Gerold behind her. "My House goes back ten thousand years, unto the dawn of days," he complained. "Why is it that my cousin is the only Dayne that anyone remembers?"

The Darkstar seems to be suggesting that other than Arthur, other Daynes are nameless and faceless ...

One wonders if they were unlucky enough to be born with no name of their own?

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And mayhaps the origins of the House are shrouded in a forbidden darkness? Seems to me Dawn can only come from such a place.