My best guess is BR, but with the evidence available, it's no more than a guess.
But I'm having trouble with "He sings that all the time." If he has been singin"The shadows come to dance, my lord" before the raven arrived, then he may not be speaking to the man behind the raven.
Or am I missing something here
Perhaps he had been singing "The shadows come to dance" without "my lord" but still the same song in Shireens eyes
Post by Dornish Neck Tie on Sept 20, 2016 22:11:21 GMT
Lord Leyton Hightower and the Mad Maid should be in there, as well as anyone who might be holed up in that tower with them.
"No true knight would condone such wanton butchery." "True knights see worse every time they ride to war, wench," said Jaime. "And do worse, yes." Brienne turned the rudder toward the shore. "I'll leave no innocents to be food for crows." "A heartless wench. Crows need to eat as well. Stay to the river and leave the dead alone, woman."
Post by Dornish Neck Tie on Sept 20, 2016 22:17:14 GMT
I think Ghost and Robert Arryn could be options as well, if we're trying to come up with as many guesses as possible.
"No true knight would condone such wanton butchery." "True knights see worse every time they ride to war, wench," said Jaime. "And do worse, yes." Brienne turned the rudder toward the shore. "I'll leave no innocents to be food for crows." "A heartless wench. Crows need to eat as well. Stay to the river and leave the dead alone, woman."
I like this as a crackpot guess. Otherwise, why are they in this story.
I actually think the white ravens are very likely bonded to Walgrave. Meanwhile, the Hightowers are using glass candles up in the Hightower, and possibly engaging in a cooperative exchange of information with Walgrave. It would be fitting in a way if the characters who actually possess all of the knowledge required to resolve the story's primary conflicts (Bloodraven, Hightowers, Walgrave) are totally paralyzed by this knowledge and unable to aid in any sort of resolution.
"No true knight would condone such wanton butchery." "True knights see worse every time they ride to war, wench," said Jaime. "And do worse, yes." Brienne turned the rudder toward the shore. "I'll leave no innocents to be food for crows." "A heartless wench. Crows need to eat as well. Stay to the river and leave the dead alone, woman."
But I'm having trouble with "He sings that all the time." If he has been singin"The shadows come to dance, my lord" before the raven arrived, then he may not be speaking to the man behind the raven.
I read it as the song was a recent development. Here's my reasoning; Shireen has an affection for Patchface, it is established as the main reason he is kept around. Shireen does not like the song. If he had sung that little ditty for years then I find it hard to believe that Shireen would develop such an affection for him, therefore the song must be a recent addition to his repertoire.
So despite my initial call of BR as the spymaster I am now less sure. The reason ? This:
I actually think the white ravens are very likely bonded to Walgrave.
We are told that the ravens are "pure bred white ravens of the Citadel". They are no "common albinos". In short, they are most assuredly the Citadel's creatures. When we look at some of the descriptions of Walgrave then he kinda sounds like how Haggon (was it Haggon?) described skinchangers that spent too much time in the skin of birds. Guys, Walgrave is a skinchanger. Me nem nessa.
I told some people about your theory. It gave yovmo a nerdgasm and made him join the forum!
I'm always genuinely surprised when one of my theories turns out to be built on something more substantial than papier mache and dreams tbh.
The next step in this Patchface/Raven investigation is the one that will require a little effort. Basically we need to go through Clash, Storm and Dance (no Patchface in Thrones or Feast right?) and pull every interaction between Patchface and ravens. I can't imagine there are too many but there must be something with Mormont's raven at CB and perhaps that something will shed more light on who (if anybody) Patchface is communicating with. I added the parenthesis because it could be that Patchface is not directly communicating, he may in fact, just be mental. It could be though that due to his (effective) return from the dead that Patchface can perceive a presence of some kind in the raven and is just happy with himself and raving. It could also be that he is trying to communicate but he doesn't know who he is trying to communicate with. In other words, his mind was broken by his experience but it gave him perception beyond the normal, he can see Mel for what she truly is and he can see the raven for what it truly is and because he senses something bad gathering around Shireen (his friend) he is trying to fight his madness in order to warn someone, anyone what is coming.
We are told that the ravens are "pure bred white ravens of the Citadel". They are no "common albinos". In short, they are most assuredly the Citadel's creatures. When we look at some of the descriptions of Walgrave then he kinda sounds like how Haggon (was it Haggon?) described skinchangers that spent too much time in the skin of birds. Guys, Walgrave is a skinchanger. Me nem nessa.
Yup! This is basically my reasoning for Walgrave. The more I sit on this one, the more convinced I become that it's him. I think the breadth of coverage ascribed to Bloodraven's vision is exactly the sort of god-like intervention that is forbidden in GRRM's world. I'm pretty sure Walgrave is only ever described as aloof and a bit senile, never ill or close to death. Whatever is preventing him from being a fully functional Archmaester is in his head (or blood). I think that lesson about skinchangers came from Bloodraven in the show, and Haggon in the books, but my canon headspace is a bit confused.
"No true knight would condone such wanton butchery." "True knights see worse every time they ride to war, wench," said Jaime. "And do worse, yes." Brienne turned the rudder toward the shore. "I'll leave no innocents to be food for crows." "A heartless wench. Crows need to eat as well. Stay to the river and leave the dead alone, woman."
Yup! This is basically my reasoning for Walgrave. The more I sit on this one, the more convinced I become that it's him. I think the breadth of coverage ascribed to Bloodraven's vision is exactly the sort of god-like intervention that is forbidden in GRRM's world. I'm pretty sure Walgrave is only ever described as aloof and a bit senile, never ill or close to death. Whatever is preventing him from being a fully functional Archmaester is in his head (or blood).
Skinchangers are rare in Westeros for sure but it's not like they're dragons or mermen. The idea that maesters wouldn't know exactly what they are, how they work and how useful they would be is preposterous. Walgrave is being kept around because he can provide the maesters intel that they could otherwise not obtain.
Skinchangers are rare in Westeros for sure but it's not like they're dragons or mermen. The idea that maesters wouldn't know exactly what they are, how they work and how useful they would be is preposterous. Walgrave is being kept around because he can provide the maesters intel that they could otherwise not obtain.
I was just thinking, it would make sense for skinchangers to be clearly limited in their abilities in the way that recipients of "fire-type" resurrections are. (We may have been told outright that this is the case, but I can't remember.) A person can only be brought back so many times, and never fully, since a bit of their soul is consumed each time (as is likely the case with the person who performs the rite). Since skinchanging is literally sharing bits of the soul (according to our in-story sources), a person would have to be limited in how many pieces they can hand out to other creatures. It's a bit silly to think Bloodraven has the ability to see through the eyes of any raven; in the words of Bilbo Baggins, it would be "like butter scraped over too much toast." If we want to speculate that there are a large number of ravens being skinchanged across vast geographical distances, then we need to allow for the possibility that there are other greenseers out there.
"No true knight would condone such wanton butchery." "True knights see worse every time they ride to war, wench," said Jaime. "And do worse, yes." Brienne turned the rudder toward the shore. "I'll leave no innocents to be food for crows." "A heartless wench. Crows need to eat as well. Stay to the river and leave the dead alone, woman."