"Lyanna was at the ToJ" = not canon

Oh, it's not a thread but a whole board. It has sub-forums for every book + "Who's your daddy (Or mummy)?" and a general. We'll make one or more thread about every chapter as we go along, discussing what we find in the text with heavy use of quotes and possibly some miles of tinfoil.


He is a Ned clone in many ways, but I still think it's possible for other combinations as well. So I keep it open so far, or at least try to. Rhaegar is far down on my list, Robert even further down, and Howland isn't really on it to be honest. Higher up is the Stark males at the time, yes Starkcest is on my list and pretty high up! As I see a lot of Dayne imagery etc with Jon, I favour him as a Stark-Dayne with wither NA or AL.
It will be interesting to see where the good folk here end up after this reread!


He really triggers my gag-reflecs! Not sure if he actually has the hands, or if it was just a really really insane jape tough. He is one of the biggest liars in the story, and I distrust almost every word that comes out of his mouth.


Haha, sounds like a great mental picture! I've barely noticed him, and have to think before I remember who he is.


I've not put that much effort in the visions yet. Hard to say off the top of my head right now, but it could be anyone. Lyanna, or her mother, or her mother's mother etc. Depending on the size of the trunk in the vision and how fast a weirwood is growing, it's hard to say how long ago it happened. Sorry, I haven't a better answer to this part.

So now Elio is claiming that his exclusive secret Stark family tree that says Lyanna died at the tower of joy was supposed to be used for AWOIAF despite that not being what he said in the initial Westoros thread years ago, or what the app itself says is where it’s information comes from, and he’s now claiming it’s GRRM’s tree instead of a tree his assistant gave him

https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/74xl5l/comment/do2vh4u

For such a supposedly simple answer this story seems to keep changing

How does Maester Yandel know that Lyanna died at the ToJ? Did Ned or Howland tell him?

Not sure if it's the correct topic to comment on as it's more of "Jon at TOJ=not cannon", but I figure it's close enough.

Also sorry if it's super obvious, but I have found this SSM yesterday and I was pretty shocked as I have never seen it brought up in any theory before, even though I have read a decent amount of them. So here we go:

www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/Milk_Brothers_Dragons_and_Foreshadowing

Doesn't this pretty much kill the whole "Lyanna gave birth to Jon at the ToJ at around the time of the fight with the Kinsguard?

I do have to say we have this curious passage from AGoT Catelyn II that doesn't really match with what GRRM said:



So I don't know what to make of it. Thoughts?