- interesting that they mention Ghost Grass in the show. Had forgotten that.
- book-Cersei killed her black haired offspring of course. Here, in discussing her infant's mortality, we already have the beginnings of HBO's softening of Cersei Lannister.
- book-Nymeria helps Arya naturally. Show-Nymeria is untrained.
- weird changes to the Needle dialogue
- awkward having Ned in the room with Jon and Cat. No "absolution" line
- Crazy to think that this is the last time Jon saw any of his family. Then grrm went and lost Benjen. Ass. Lol (And no, I do not recognize D&D's family reunion)
- Ned+Wylla=Jon. Confirmed.
- Did Ned call Robert, "Robbit"? Lol
- Dany getting her freak on. Well done egg foreshadowing.
- people say book 1 Tyrion isn't much like book 5 Tyrion, but I think he is. We see the real Tyrion here on the ride north. The somersaulting stuff was when he was drunk.
- lol at how the catspaw appears so quickly.
- random thought: f/rAegon= Obama
- pups grew absurdly fast...in both books and show
- Dany got a tan...or stopped getting so heavily powdered.
- Wallgasm
- Dany + Doreah. One of the best scenes in the show. But Dany on Drogo...way better. Lol
- Ilyn = third shadow.
- Sansa is dumb
- Joffrey definitely would have voted for Trump
- Sansa is really dumb
- Looking at Sansa and Arya at the Trident (particularly Arya), I am again puzzled at how anyone can imagine Lyanna swooning for a married prince after/during the torture/murder of her father and brother. An oddity for the Are El Jay discussion.
- Perfect casting for Joff, Sansa, and Arya.
- I miss Ned. 😔
- Show-Ned does not kill Lady with Ice!?
- Kinslaying...the sacrifice of Lady instead of Nymeria...is what awakened Bran.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
Post by DarkSister1001 on Mar 5, 2017 14:32:49 GMT
How can Ned stand there and let Cat talk to Jon like that?!
Here's an idea, Ned sees Robert to the Neck then tells him, "no thanks Bobby." Heads home.
"Farewell Snow" "And you Stark" - 😓
Crazy how early in the series most of these people are saying goodbye for the last time.
"You are a Stark"
Why does Ned seem to act like his time in Kings Landing won't be long? Jon Arryn served for almost 20 years, I don't think he ever made a trip to the Wall. When is expecting to see Jon again?
"Thank the gods for Bessy!"
The blade was Valyrian steel, spell-forged and dark as smoke. Nothing held an edge like Valyrian steel.
Post by DarkSister1001 on Mar 5, 2017 15:15:17 GMT
Joff truly is a little shit.
Nymeria to the rescue!
Damn you Sansa!
"We have another wolf." - I hated the Lannisters more for that than pushing Bran.
I love that Arya defended Sansa's wolf despite Sansa not defending Nymeria.
Miccah was killed for his silence. Him and Arya would have had the same story, Sansa plead the 5th. Robert and all those in the Inn would have known Joff was lying.
Lady
The blade was Valyrian steel, spell-forged and dark as smoke. Nothing held an edge like Valyrian steel.
Me three. It reminds me of Mrs Voice's grandpa. Whenever we'd take him out to eat breakfast he'd always tell the waitress to make sure they cook the bacon until it wouldn't bend. Once at the table, he would hold up a strip for inspection.
If it bent, he would show the waitress exactly what was wrong and give her a few tips on bacon cooking. Then he'd wait patiently for the re-cooked (burnt) bacon to arrive, compliment the waitress and cooks, and eat with the swiftness of a much younger man.
He'd leave a reasonable tip under his plate. I'd secretly leave a larger one so that we could come back to the restaurant the following week.
"We have another wolf." - I hated the Lannisters more for that than pushing Bran.
I love that Arya defended Sansa's wolf despite Sansa not defending Nymeria.
Miccah was killed for his silence. Him and Arya would have had the same story, Sansa plead the 5th. Robert and all those in the Inn would have known Joff was lying.
Lady
I was thinking about this after the episode this time around, and I'm starting to see it differently than I did before.
It is easy to get mad at Cersei here, and I do as well. But considering all she hears is her shit-son's account, and Arya's wildly different one, her request does not seem so severe. Joffrey is still her son.
Sansa doomed Lady by turning against the pack to protect the pride of lions.
Cersei was only attempting to protect her children. Something Ned can appreciate, even if he does not agree with the sentence. Joff wasn't the only cub in Cersei's den, there was also Tommen and Myrcella to consider.
And the first time he saw them, even Lord Stark thought the kids should not have direwolves. He said that they will rip men's arms off as easily as dogs kill rats, and argued that they should have been put to death. Sure enough, even as a puppy, Nymeria proved the truth of those reservations.
So I guess I'm saying that this seems like one of the times Cersei actually has the right of things. If it were Queen Lyanna, and Lady Cersei's child had a lion cub that bit Jon's arm, would we feel the same way about the lion cub being sentenced to death?
Considering the relief we feel when Summer rips out the catspaw's throat, I don't think we would. It is easy to love the direwolves, but they are no less dangerous and deadly than the lions of Casterly Rock.
I think it speaks to how truly great a writer GRRM once was. (And is... IF he ever decides to be one again.) He knows how readers will react to a fluffy puppy licking their faces while living vicariously through Bran. He knows readers will identify with Sansa's tears, Arya's bitterness, and to Ned's own resolve when Ned has to put Lady down. He knows how readers will react to a lost dog when Jon is south of the Wall while Ghost is north of it, and how joyous the will be when the two are reunited.
These are very relatable human experiences. But he uses that relatability against us to great effect.
I believe he uses it to create a very false sense of moral 'goodness' for House Stark that we do not have for other houses. Tyrion often reflects upon the sins of House Lannister, Jaime does as well. Cersei doesn't as much, but is a living testament to the inequality of women and the desperate acts they must commit to rise high in government.
And Targaryens, well, they either use power for madness or madness for power.
Of our POVs, the Starks are the only ones that seem deserving of redemption on a house-level. If Tyrion or Dany succeed, it will feel a personal victory won in spite of their houses. Revenge-like. If any Stark succeeds, it will feel like absolution. And I think those expectations will be used against us, as his predictable (and far too human) readers.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
Whenever we'd take him out to eat breakfast he'd always tell the waitress to make sure they cook the bacon until it wouldn't bend. Once at the table, he would hold up a strip for inspection.
Must've liked spit in his food. JK! I would've done the same as you with the tip.
Small error, Tyrion starts tearing into unburnt bacon before she comes back with his plate and ale.
If it were Queen Lyanna, and Lady Cersei's child had a lion cub that bit Jon's arm, would we feel the same way about the lion cub being sentenced to death?
No, no, no, no...don't you go clouding my hate with logic! IF she'd hadn't been humping her brother who then tried to kill Bran I might feel differently. She's already established herself as an asshat so I don't trust her motivations here. Lady didn't do anything. If she as worried about her poor widdle Joff she could have insisted someone try to hunt Nymeria and keep Lady well away or send her back to WF. She knew exactly what she was doing.
The blade was Valyrian steel, spell-forged and dark as smoke. Nothing held an edge like Valyrian steel.
Kinslaying...the sacrifice of Lady instead of Nymeria...is what awakened Bran.
My thoughts on this is that Bran wasn’t in a coma or unconscious as much as he was warging into other animals, and happened to be in Lady when Ned killed her. That’s why he awoke.
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Kinslaying...the sacrifice of Lady instead of Nymeria...is what awakened Bran.
My thoughts on this is that Bran wasn’t in a coma or unconscious as much as he was warging into other animals, and happened to be in Lady when Ned killed her. That’s why he awoke.
Very cool idea. I see him as having a very real out of body experience, what is referred to as "spirit flight" in anthropological studies of shamanism/animism.
Not unlike the changing of skins, but with no skin. Just soaring consciousness.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
My thoughts on this is that Bran wasn’t in a coma or unconscious as much as he was warging into other animals, and happened to be in Lady when Ned killed her. That’s why he awoke.
I thought he was in Summer and could feel what happened to Lady. Either way, cool stuff! Strange that we didn't get his coma dream in the show but I suspect it would have given away too much. We would've been shown things that we were supposed to puzzle out.
Post by silentmajority on Mar 19, 2017 1:01:38 GMT
Episode 2 of the rewatch!!!
What I forgot to mention in the first episode is how creative the show is on letting the viewers see the entire world of Westeros and Essos. World building in these shows can be complicated if they differ much from our real world, and the intro gives us a glimpse of how massive the story is by detailing where each story line per show takes place at.
I remember upon first viewing of the show I thought it was the writers trying to sell more miniatures for George.
Mmmmm… Horse jerky. I have to imagine that the Dothraki ate more than Horses don’t you think? From a nutritional stand point I can’t believe that they would have become such feared warriors if they didn’t have other castes than warriors.
Fade into the next scene and we see deer and hear goats in the background. Weird because Jorah just got done telling Daenarys that the only thing that the Dothraki had in large quantities is grass and horses.
Tyrion wakes in a dog kennel instead of a whorehouse. He smacks Jofferey for not listening to him. Tyrion over breakfast lets everyone know that Bran will live.
I love how Tyrion tells everyone how he wants to stand on top of the wall and piss off the edge of the world, and in a later episode we see him doing just that!
Tyrion seems to know that Bran saw Cersai and Jaime screwing.
The next scene between Cersai and Catelyn is the one that spawned the theory that Gendry is the Cersai’s one and only son to Robert Baratheon as she talks about a black haired beauty who died of fever. I kind of believe this because it’s oddly specific over an otherwise non-consequential conversation. Later on we know that black hair is dominant in Baratheon children.
Stick’em with the pointy end!
Next more foreshadowing: We get to see how much Catelyn hates Jon when he says good-bye to Bran. The hate in her eyes is awesome! Pure hatred. In walks Ned. 17 years ago Ned rode off and came back a year later with Jon. Little does Jon know when he says good-bye to Robb that when he returns to Winterfell he will be their king!
Again, more foreshadowing: Jon says goodbye to his father Ned who promises to talk about his mother next time they see each other, but he ensures Jon that he has his blood running in his veins. There is just too much emphasis in Jon Snows mother in the first 2 episodes not to have a significant meaning. Fade of to Ned and Robert having lunch into an open field. Ned and Robert talk about Willa the “Mother of the Bastard”. Ned refuses to give details of who Willa was. If you do a name search for Willa, not Wylla like in the text, and you realize that it basically means “valiant protector” in English. ( www.ohbabynames.com/meaning/name/willa/2343#.WM2dnRiZPBI )
The name is meant to protect Jon from Robert. Robert then hands Ned a message about Daenary’s Rhaegar is soon name dropped again, and Ned is 100% against anything happening to any Targaryen children. Robert then assures Ned that a war is coming though he doesn’t’ know who just that it’s coming. Kind of strange that he is completely correct, but both will be dead when it does actually arrive.
Doggystyle the Dothraki way…
Jon and Tyrion: A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone. More foreshadowing here, Jon needs to utilize all his resources. Is it just coincidence that the “fat book-worm” Sam becomes Jon’s best friend in the next couple episodes? “What’s your story bastard?” – Oh, probably the most interesting story in the entire story…
Someone tries to assassinate Bran. Gets killed by the Direwolf. The dagger points to Tyrion. Who’s the assassin? The scene where Catelyn grabs the blade always makes me queasy.
Catelyn starts searching for clues to what happened to Bran in the tower. That is some serious CSI shit that she discovers 1 hair strand, and then to connect that to the Lannisters is pretty thin evidence.
Time for some girl-on-girl action. Khal Drogo learns missionary.
Joffrey duels the butchers boy almost gets eaten by a direwolf. Nymeria runs away and will go missing until either season 7 or 8.
Robert Baratheon is disgusted with his son because he was disarmed by a “little girl”. Guess is that Gendry is a better warrior. Lady is of the North, and the first Direwolf to get put down. Bran wakes as soon as Lady dies, which makes me think that he had been warging in Lady.
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