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Mar 4, 2017 19:48:34 GMT DarkSister1001 said:

I like it! Very interesting.

Mar 4, 2017 19:48:34 GMT DarkSister1001 said:

Very interesting.

More interesting if I could flesh it out a bit. I've been gnawing at this since my second read, but whenever I try to develop it into an actual theory, I find that I can't piece together anything that feels at all satisfying

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Mar 4, 2017 20:49:21 GMT danl said:

More interesting if I could flesh it out a bit. I've been gnawing at this since my second read, but whenever I try to develop it into an actual theory, I find that I can't piece together anything that feels at all satisfying

I have about 5 things in my head like that. I find just putting all the relevant quotes in a word doc helps. I have some that are several years old. LOL!

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Post by Nyx on Mar 20, 2017 1:45:52 GMT

DarkSister1001, I watched the scene again this weekend on repeat! Totally says "... he'll never know anything" which is why Jon Snuh knows nothing.

I didn't remember she actually says something important to Ned to be honest

("that Robert will kill him"), because last year I was too concentrated to listen to a name and then.. well, then I forgot.

I think the little thing that's not so little about the statues he made for her and Brandon will turn out to be bigger things than I imagined initially, because he did that for a reason. I'm not sure what that is yet. I know there was a discussion about those statues that should not have been built because statues were supposed to be made only for the lords of WF or kings (in the North). We'll read soon enough I suppose. Fingers crossed.

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Mar 20, 2017 1:52:04 GMT Nyx said:

I watched the scene again this weekend on repeat! Totally says "... he'll never know anything" which is why Jon Snuh knows nothing.

LOL at "Snuh". I'm really looking forward to seeing it again when I get there on the re-watch.

Mar 20, 2017 1:52:04 GMT Nyx said:

I think the little thing that's not so little about the statues he made for her and Brandon will turn out to be bigger things than I imagined initially, because he did that for a reason. I'm not sure what that is yet. I know there was a discussion about those statues that should not have been built because statues were supposed to be made only for the lords of WF or kings (in the North). We'll read soon enough I suppose. Fingers crossed.

I think Lyanna's is to conceal proof of her marriage to Rhaegar (harp, wedding cloak) and Brandon's bc it would have looked strange if he didn't have one. I am open to all possibilities and look forward to reading about it.

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Mar 21, 2017 19:03:51 GMT DarkSister1001 said:

Mar 20, 2017 1:52:04 GMT Nyx said:

I think the little thing that's not so little about the statues he made for her and Brandon will turn out to be bigger things than I imagined initially, because he did that for a reason. I'm not sure what that is yet. I know there was a discussion about those statues that should not have been built because statues were supposed to be made only for the lords of WF or kings (in the North). We'll read soon enough I suppose. Fingers crossed.

I think Lyanna's is to conceal proof of her marriage to Rhaegar (harp, wedding cloak) and Brandon's bc it would have looked strange if he didn't have one. I am open to all possibilities and look forward to reading about it.

Are you me?!

Sort of. I didn't think of the marriage proof inside the statue or at the base of it, but still...

I had for a long time this sneaky idea that kept popping up: what if Ly is a queen, a bona-fide, valid-marriage-certificate queen of the Seven Kingdoms?! Surely, THAT would make Ned build her a crypt statue, no? It wouldn't be a random act anymore.

Still, Brandon was never Lord since he died alongside his father in KL. Perhaps you're right though. That Brandon statue is a cover for the marriage cover!

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Mar 22, 2017 1:24:37 GMT Nyx said:

Mar 21, 2017 19:03:51 GMT DarkSister1001 said:

I think Lyanna's is to conceal proof of her marriage to Rhaegar (harp, wedding cloak) and Brandon's bc it would have looked strange if he didn't have one. I am open to all possibilities and look forward to reading about it.

Are you me?!

Sort of. I didn't think of the marriage proof inside the statue or at the base of it, but still...

I had for a long time this sneaky idea that kept popping up: what if Ly is a queen, a bona-fide, valid-marriage-certificate queen of the Seven Kingdoms?! Surely, THAT would make Ned build her a crypt statue, no? It wouldn't be a random act anymore.

Still, Brandon was never Lord since he died alongside his father in KL. Perhaps you're right though. That Brandon statue is a cover for the marriage cover!

I'm in your head! Lol

J is a legitimate Targaryen. Rhaegar died before Aerys so Lyanna wouldn't have been queen. Jon being Rhaegars son would mean his claim is stronger than Danys. Robb naming him heir already gives him half the kindgom and the Riverlands. IMO the Vale would likely follow him too.

In the story of Bael there's a musciain, blue winter roses, a "stolen" daughter of WF, secrets hidden in the crypts and a son. The Stark daughter loved her "abductor". Lots of interesting parallels to Jon et al. It's also telling that we get this story through Jons POV.

It seems to me that either Rickard died after Brandon or at the same time. You're right Brandon wouldn't have been Lord, so no statue.

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Post by lynn on Mar 24, 2017 15:40:49 GMT

Promise me....

- you won't tell Robert about his son
- you will raise Jon to be a better man than Robert
- you will dishonor your wife and yourself in the eyes of the gods by keeping this lie to yourself (you cannot lie before the gods they always know - Jon or Bran not sure which)

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Post by wolfmaid7 on Apr 14, 2017 2:00:51 GMT

I'm torn between the simple...

1.Promise me you will take care of him.

To which Ned chose what taking care of him looked like.

2.Promise me Ned save him.

Jon was taken from Lyanna who received her wound protecting him from being taken from her.The assailants mistook her for a dude.

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Apr 14, 2017 2:00:51 GMT wolfmaid7 said:

2.Promise me Ned save him.

Jon was taken from Lyanna who received her wound protecting him from being taken from her.The assailants mistook her for a dude.

...Ned had loved her with all his heart. Robert had loved her even more. She was to have been his bride.

"She was more beautiful than that," the king said after a silence.

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"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."

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Post by danl on Oct 3, 2017 1:17:30 GMT

Maybe one or more of the following:
Promise me ... you will go to the Tower of Joy
Promise me ... you will meet the KG
Promise me ... Ice will meet Dawn
Promise me ... the TOJ will fall
Promise me ... you will carry Dawn to Starfall

Maybe when "they" found him and Howland took his hand from Lyanna's, "they" were the companions that went with him to the TOJ

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Post by chromoshadow on Oct 10, 2017 23:35:37 GMT

Trying to put some iron in the promise since there was in Lyanna:

"Promise me... Avenge Rhaegar, Kill the usurper"
"Promise me... Help my child to claim the throne"
"Promise me... that I will not become Robert's wife (if she still had hope about living)"

Also, she did not in childbirth, she slit her wrists because she thought it was Robert that was coming to claim her instead of Ned

"Promise me... do not bring a healer to save my life"

Or maybe it was just that :

"Promise me... fuck me so I don't die a virgin"
"Promise me... delete my browser history"

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Nov 23, 2017 0:30:03 GMT chromoshadow said:

Also, she did not in childbirth, she slit her wrists because she thought it was Robert that was coming to claim her instead of Ned

Ouch.
I think you're right that we shouldn't expect something sweet or simple like "take care of my son" although I am open to 'take care of my daughter.' I rather think the brutality of your first choice may fit Lyanna well, although I don't think it fits Ned's thoughts very well.

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