Wraith ,Mojo ,DarkSister1001 ,voice , i think sly wren figured out who framed rhaegar . it was the maesters who accused him like in the Pate prolgue
Mayhaps. Are you talking about the framing of Rhaegar for the abduction of Lyanna?
If so, I don't think this was a matter of maester interference, unless the maester(s) received orders from a powerful Warden.
Keep in mind the abduction story worked out very well for Jon Arryn, and horribly for Tywin Lannister.
While Rickard and Brandon Stark were allied with Jon Arryn, I think we can all agree the abduction gossip worked out pretty horribly for them as well.
In my opinion, the only winner in the abduction narrative was Jon Arryn. Robert and Ned loved the man, but he played them for fools. Let us not forget that Jon Arryn was Littlefinger's mentor, and Tywin Lannister was Rhaegar's.
i thought Tywin had the most to gain from a war because he was done with Aerys and he could not get in the SA bloc with Lyanna in cersei's way and jaime in the KG
but i do agree with lady knits alot that arryn pulled the rebellion together pretty quickly and was likely planning this for a long time. probably once Steffon died
Wraith ,Mojo ,DarkSister1001 ,voice , i think sly wren figured out who framed rhaegar . it was the maesters who accused him like in the Pate prolgue
Mayhaps. Are you talking about the framing of Rhaegar for the abduction of Lyanna?
If so, I don't think this was a matter of maester interference, unless the maester(s) received orders from a powerful Warden.
Keep in mind the abduction story worked out very well for Jon Arryn, and horribly for Tywin Lannister.
While Rickard and Brandon Stark were allied with Jon Arryn, I think we can all agree the abduction gossip worked out pretty horribly for them as well.
In my opinion, the only winner in the abduction narrative was Jon Arryn. Robert and Ned loved the man, but he played them for fools. Let us not forget that Jon Arryn was Littlefinger's mentor, and Tywin Lannister was Rhaegar's.
Damn. I never made the Jon Arryn- Little Finger connection! That was really smart!
“Never forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armour yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you.” ― George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones
Damn. I never made the Jon Arryn- Little Finger connection! That was really smart!
It's set up in the books as Jon Arryn giving in to the pleas of his young wife, yet you have to wonder, especially given those 'lost years' of young Petyr.
Damn. I never made the Jon Arryn- Little Finger connection! That was really smart!
It's set up in the books as Jon Arryn giving in to the pleas of his young wife, yet you have to wonder, especially given those 'lost years' of young Petyr.
And we learn from Ned's chapters that Jon Arryn had been ruling the kingdom. Robert was only a figurehead. It's easy for readers to assume Jon Arryn ruled reluctantly, since that's how Ned feels, but that doesn't really fit with what we learn about the warden of the east.
Jon Arryn is the one who sought and gained support from houses Tully, Baratheon, and Stark. Jon Arryn is the one who encouraged his wards to call their banners after the deaths of Rickard and Brandon (rather than when their lives could still have been saved).
And who takes two wards from two different houses? One a young lord, the other only two deaths away from becoming a young lord.
Then, conveniently, those two deaths come to pass.
We expect that sort of cunning from LF, but LF wasn't that cunning back then. We know this from Cat's account of his duel with Brandon, which occurred not long before Brandon's arrest.
After that day, LF harbored a deep hatred for the Starks. Then lo and behold, he is taken on as an apprentice by Jon Arryn. Quite suspicious.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
Wraith,Mojo,DarkSister1001,voice, i was wondering if anyone has noticed all the important events that took place in 288-89 and if there is a connection. we have Leyton disappearing after allowing Jorah to marry Lyneesse, we have greyjoy rebellion, we have darry dying and jon conn taking in Young griff , i think Oberyn signs marriage pact with Darry too . i think LC Qorgyle died and Jeor took over too . what am i missing? is it connected Markg 171 to dany somehow?
DarkSister1001 , sagenadia ,DarkSister1001 ,Mojo ,evie ,Wraith , this is for sly wren . i read something you wrote about dragons riddling with sphinxes . who is Alleras' partner because they come in pairs i have read
Huh I had never really considered Alleras to be part of a pair but yes you are correct about Sphninxs being in pairs. I figured it would be her and Maester Marwyn since they are working together. Or her and Leo Tyrell since they are both working with Marwyn.
Darkstar will be the next Vulture King.
Craster has 19 daughters and there are 19 castles on the Wall, coincidence I think not!
Have you tried to register yet? This would be a good topic for an actual thread
“Never forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armour yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you.” ― George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones
“Never forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armour yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you.” ― George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones