Alright, so here is what I can remember about episode 4 after only one viewing, I apologise in advance if I miss anything or get shit in the wrong order:
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We open with Bran & Little finger having a "creepy bastard-off". Littlefinger pulls out Catspaw and gives it to Bran as a gift saying that he thought Bran might like the knife that started the War of the Five Kings. Bran is pretty much silent and it's clearly creeping Baelish out. He continues to fish for info by saying that Bran must have seen shit beyond the wall that most men would not believe and that it must be hard for him to return home and find Winterfell in such chaos, Bran looks him dead in the eye and just says "chaos is a ladder", Baelish shits a brick but they are interrupted by Meera. LF leaves and Bran sys to Meere "you're leaving". Meera confirms that she doesn't want to leave Bran but that when it all kicks off, she wants to be with her family. Bran thanks her for all she's done but Meera gets angry saying "is that all you have to say ? My brother died for you. Hodor, Summer, they died for you Bran". Bran quickly replies, "I'm not really, not anymore. I remember what it was like to be Bran Stark..." Meera begins to cry and sobs "you died in that cave" before leaving. Will we see her again ? Maybe not. So after that, Arya arrives back at Winterfell and the guards at the gate are total muppets. Obviously they don't believe her when she says she's Arya stark but she manages to convince them to go get Sansa. She can't be arsed waiting for them and fucks off. The guards report the incident to Sansa and say they are looking all over for the girl, Sansa says she knows where Arya is, cut to the crypts and Arya is standing in front of Ned's statue. Arya turns as Sansa enters and asks if she has to call Sansa "Lady Stark" now and Sansa replies "yes" before smiling and rushing to hug her sister. They discuss how the statue doesn't really look like Ned and both intimate that they have seen some shit, without going into specifics. Arya straight up admits to having a kill list but Sansa just laughs at the idea. Sansa then tells Arya that Bran is also home, Arya smiles, Sansa does not. So Sansa and Arya approach Bran in the godswood and Bran says that he saw Arya at the crossroads and thought she might go to King's Landing, Arya is confused, Sansa offers the explanation of "Bran has visions now". Sansa wonders why Arya would go to King's Landing and Bran says, "there are people on her list there". Snasa is taken aback, she asks Arya "who else is on your list?" Arya simply replies that "it doesn't matter, most of them are dead already". Sansa is duly freaked the fuck out.
I'm pretty sure the next scene is on Dragonstone. We open with Dany & Missy descending the steps discussing Missy's naked time with Grey Worm, it's all very Sex & the City and can frankly, do one. Anyway, so Jon invites Dany to tour a conveniently located Plot Cave where they find ancient, CotF cave paintings depicting them allying with the FM to battle the WW. I.... I can't even with this fucking scene, I'm out.
So next we are in King's Landing and Cersei is discussing money and ting with Tycho Nestoris. This scene is very boring but exceedingly well-acted.
Cut to Jaime and Bronn on their way back to KL with all the gold they nicked from Highgarden. Jaime gives Bronn a massive sack of gold, Bronn tries to get Highgarden, jaime knocks him back then sends him off to harass farmers into handing over more grain. We also get a little cameo from the Tarlys, Jaime fucks up Dickon's name again, sigh.
Back to Dragonstone and Dany gets the news about the Unsullied's ships being sunk by Euron during the taking of the Rock. Dany chews out Tyrion and wants to just fly her dragons straight to the Red Keep (what a novel fucking idea) but Jon counsels against going full Targ (never go full Targ). The scene ends without anything really getting decided and we'll see why later.
Back to Winterfell and Arya wants to spar with Brienne. It's Oberyn vs The Mountain 2.0 Arya is far to fast and agile for Big Bri, the Maid of Tarth gets so frustrated that she just fucking boots Arya, full force, in the chest !!! It's pretty damn funny and if you can suspend your disbelief at Arya's skills, it's pretty damn cool. Anyway, Arya is now established as the top 1v1, duelist in the show.
Back to Dragonstone again and Theon has arrived. Awkward scene between him and Jon and then Theon says that he's there to ask the Queen for help in rescuing Yara, Jon informs him the Queen is not there...
So back to Jaime et al for the denouement to the episode. The wagon train has become spread out, miles long. Jaime is told that the gold has safely arrived at King's Landing but they need to get their tail to move up, Randyll suggests flogging a few stragglers. So Bronn stops at one point and starts to look worried, he can hear something. That "something" is clearly the sound of an awfully large amount of horses in full gallop. Jaime, Bronn and Randyll begin to form their men into lines etc etc and then we see the Dothraki horde in full charge, coming over the horizon. Jaime & Bronn are freaked out enough but then Drogon appears with Dany astride him, Jaime's face is priceless. Needless to say, all hell breaks loose. It is a fucking massacre, Jaime tries to rally some archers at one point, trying to take Dany down but she flies straight at them then turns at the last second so all the arrows hit Drogon's tough underbelly, then she comes back around and flames those fools. Bronn has a 1v1 against a Dothraki, the Dothraki cuts Bronn's horse out from under him and Bronn is right in the shit. He heads to a covered wagon and it's revealed that one of Qyburn's Dragonkillers is in the back. Bronn manages to get a shot off and it wounds Drogon in the shoulder, Drogon goes into a dive but Dany manages to recover and blasts the Dragonkiller to pieces, Bronn just leaps clear in time. At this point, due to the less than awesome copy I was watching and the massive amount of flame & smoke on screen, it became a little difficult to see who was getting melted but I *think* the Tarlys got barbecued. So Dany is forced to land and she gets of Drogon and tries to pull the quarrel from his shoulder. Jaime spies this and thinks he can end the war in one blow. Now for some reason we cut to a hill overlooking this insanity and for some fucking reason Tyrion is there (face. palm.) So he sees Jaime about to charge and whispers "run, you fool" under his breath. Jaime grabs a spear and charges. Tyrion again "you fucking idiot" (to Jaime) and just as Jaime is about to reach Dany, Drogon turns and blast him with dragonfire. So yeah, Jaime is a dead..... JUST KIDDING !!!!!! Deus Ex Bronn appears from screen left and tackles Jaime into a lake or pond, just before he gets roasted. The ep ends with Jaime sinking into the water.
All in all, it was a good ep with some amazing action and a couple of really good scenes but once again, some dodgy editing and just flat-out bad writing plagues it at points. That would seem to be our lot though, so might as well enjoy what we get.
Last Edit: Aug 6, 2017 12:55:04 GMT by pieceofgosa
sohialovoice,pieceofgosa, I didn't watch it and haven't read any spoilers, but I am curious if the show followed the spoilers that were posted here or not?
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I am curious if the show followed the spoilers that were posted here or not?
The scene order was off and a couple of the things they posted didn't actually happen, the poster just assumed they had given later events but yes, it's basically spot on.
Jaime tries to rally some archers at one point, trying to take Dany down but she flies straight at them then turns at the last second so all the arrows hit Drogon's tough underbelly, then she comes back around and flames those fools.
Do the show-runners know Zoology 101? The underbelly of any living creature is typically it's most vulnerable part.
Do the show-runners know Zoology 101? The underbelly of any living creature is typically it's most vulnerable part.
Zoology 101 doesn't really account for flying lizards does it ? Tyrion's covered this already (I forget if it was in the show or in the books, maybe both). The underbelly of a Dragon is just as tough as the scales on it's back. The weak points are eyes and mouth but given what comes out of the mouth, the eyes are probably the spot to go for !! Makes perfect sense for a flying creature, imo.
Do the show-runners know Zoology 101? The underbelly of any living creature is typically it's most vulnerable part.
Zoology 101 doesn't really account for flying lizards does it ? Tyrion's covered this already (I forget if it was in the show or in the books, maybe both). The underbelly of a Dragon is just as tough as the scales on it's back. The weak points are eyes and mouth but given what comes out of the mouth, the eyes are probably the spot to go for !! Makes perfect sense for a flying creature, imo.
That's the books alone--as Tyrion only goes on a big "I wanted a dragon" monologue in the show. Even so, lizards still have underbelly issues IRL, as do flying creatures.
This is one part of "magic tough scales on the underbelly" make no sense to me in fantasy in general. Physically moving and even sex would be much harder to achieve for such an animal, and thus it should die out.
This is one part of "magic tough scales on the underbelly" make no sense to me in fantasy in general. Physically moving and even sex would be much harder to achieve for such an animal, and thus it should die out.
Dude, it's a magic, flying lizard !!!! Having a tough underbelly is the least of its plausibility issues Anyway, plausible or not, at the very least the canon consistency has to be commended, given their usual fails in that department.
This is one part of "magic tough scales on the underbelly" make no sense to me in fantasy in general. Physically moving and even sex would be much harder to achieve for such an animal, and thus it should die out.
Dude, it's a magic, flying lizard !!!! Having a tough underbelly is the least of its plausibility issues Anyway, plausible or not, at the very least the canon consistency has to be commended, given their usual fails in that department.
Besides, maybe the tough underbelly is still the weakest part of the dragon. Who are the dragons going fuck anyways? They're all male dragons. Unless we want to venture down the road of gay dragon sex...
In the fan fic video I saw, I thought the scorpion's arrow pierced the armpit (wing pit?) rather than the belly...
It did, I was talking about the bit with Jaime & the archers just before that. The archers unleash a volley, Dany pulls up at the last minute and Drogon no-sells the arrows as they stick into/bounce off his belly.
Last Edit: Aug 6, 2017 21:56:31 GMT by pieceofgosa
Dragons have no gender. Drogon, Viseryon, and Rhaegal are neither male nor female. They reproduce via *magic*, rather than genitalia.
And voice, enters the fray to play the part of Thomax
the dwarf was writing down what he recalled concerning the mating habits of dragons, on which subject Barth, Munkun, and Thomax held markedly divergent views.
It's actually an interesting subject, both Syrax & Vhagar are described as "she-dragons" which begs the question, why ? Clearly the other dragons, Meraxes for example, must have had a dick and because Vhagar and Syrax didn't they were classed as she-dragons. That's the only thing that makes sense to me anyway, well as much sense as dragon cock can ever really make.
I don't really know how to link to another thread on here but I posted an article about Valyrian sphinxes that touches on a few of these dragon gender issues, please read and comment on that if dragon junk is your bag. The most salient point (and the one that challenges voice, and his "no gender" assertion) is that Valyrian sphinxes always come in pairs. One with the head of a man/body of a dragon and one with the head of a woman/body of a dragon. This is very telling to me, the figures are not displayed as genderless or androgynous. I read the iconography as sort of a yin/yang type deal, with male and female energies in balance. So I would say that dragons are not genderless but rather that they are sequential hermaphrodites, they are able to change gender in order to maintain a balance within a given population.