Jon and Sansa should speak privately BEFORE they address their Lords.
You know, like Kevan and Tywin did... just saying.
Kevan never questioned Tywin. He followed. Since Sansa and Jon have been butting heads one of them should be smart enough to say, "let's speak alone". Jon should have learned a lesson at Castle Black.
The blade was Valyrian steel, spell-forged and dark as smoke. Nothing held an edge like Valyrian steel.
It is beyond true that assaulting a castle 600-700(?) miles away when the main prize is about 100(?)miles away seems bonkers but I'm gonna give them some credit here because from that scene it was obvious that Dany & Tyrion had actually discussed this in great depth BEFORE the meeting actually occurred, a certain mopey bastard and a certain red head should really take note. This is tangential but I really do wonder what Sansa & Jon talked about at breakfast the morning of episode one because it sure as shit wasn't what to do about the Umbers & Karstarks.
Excellent observation. Neither Jon nor Sansa have any clue how to rule effectively. Dany doesn't either, but thankfully she has Tyrion to help her. (Funny- if she does end up ruling the seven kingdoms, we'll be back to a puppet-yet-slightly-unpredictable Targaryen on the throne and the Realm managed by their powerful Lannister Hand.)
I feel like the path is set now. The Unsullied will take CR but Grey Worm will likely die. The Lannister army (which Jaime brought back from the riverlands) will likely march on Highgarden and Olenna Tyrell will likely kill herself rather than be captured (of course living long enough to throw some final shade at Jaime). The loss of the Greyjoy & Martell fleets, the loss of Olenna & the Tyrell armies and the loss of Grey Worm will put Dany in full dragon mode. She will send her Dothraki against the Lannister army at Highgarden and she will lead the attack herself on Drogon.
Dany's arc alone sounds amazing. Though I do hope she is careful when she unleashes dragons upon Westeros's bread basket in early winter...
“In Qohor he is the Black Goat, in Yi Ti the Lion of Night, in Westeros the Stranger. All men must bow to him in the end, no matter if they worship the Seven or the Lord of Light, the Moon Mother or the Drowned God or the Great Shepherd. All mankind belongs to him... else somewhere in the world would be a folk who lived forever. Do you know of any folk who live forever?”
I hated this episode, and this scene is when I first realised it. I hate what they're doing with Sam in general; his arc isn't being taken seriously, they are using toilet humor and pus/food mixups, which is distracting and annoying. Not to mention we haven't seen Sam be taught a single damn thing at the Citadel! Oh and apparently greyscale is curable, and the exact procedure is outlined in a book. It's so dangerous that none of the real maesters or archmaesters dare try it, but Sam pulls it off alone, with no help or guidance, just reading it in the book. Also Mormont is sitting still while literally being skinned alive. Uh huh...
In addition, it makes NO sense that the maester who invented the cure ended up dying of greyscale. What?! When he knew that you just cut it off and put a special ointment on there? How could it possibly have killed him? UGH!!!
Essentially, they're going the route of farce. Don't worry, they've been trending more and more in the direction of farce ever since introducing Dorne. In fact we could call it the Dornish Effect--which reduces everything to farce that it touches.
Viewing Literature as a Cycle which Starts at Comedy and slowly morphs around the different genres until you come back around to Comedy:
The best way to describe a Farce is that it's Tragedy's belatedly born twin brother--that's at least what an essay I read on the subject once had to say about it, and I thought it a great metaphor to steal. Essentially it's where bad behavior is rewarded, humor is reduced to giggling about bodily fluids (and rolling in them like a pig might through mud). It is low-brow, often disgusting, and has a tradition of actually throwing literal shit at its audience. It's also there to make fun of Tragedies and provide a little levity on the previous dark themes. In ancient times you had Satyr Plays (which have more in common with our modern Farces than they do our modern Satires to which the Satyr play lent its name) which followed a 3-play trilogy Tragedy, typically poking fun of the big issue that the 3 play tragedy just explored. So if you had 3 plays involving the ramifications from the Gods about Cannibalism, expect in the Satyr play for the equivalent of Eating "Dead Babies" as a joke. You see a similar reaction in Japanese Kibuki Theatre, where you would have small farcical explorations of the previously tragic story performed right after one another.
The only thing that really separates a Satire and Farce is that Satire features a character who is trying to correct people's morals usually through violently beating the bad behavior out of the rest of society or exposing it as illogical and dogmatic. In a Farce any such character attempting to reassert some kind of morality would be ganged up by all the badly behaved, locked up, and the key thrown away.
Bad behavior is rewarded, celebrated, and embraced in Farce, as well as disgusting body fluids humor. Farce finds it hilarious to focus on vomit, diarrhea, piss, cum, snot, and shit--lots and lots of shit.
Horror is a type of Satire which still features a character trying to reassert some kind of morality on the badly behaved--it's just we're told things from the perspective of the badly behaved--and instead of reveling in the disgusting body fluids, it revels in the blood and that's about it. It's a step closer to Satire than Farce is, but it makes its character reasserting and punishing the badly behaved the murderer. Virtue is rewarded in Horror as the Virgin lives. And from Horror you move into the realm of Satire.
But the development from Tragedy, to Farce, to Horror, to Satire is easy enough to see. Farce & Horror both like to revel in bodily fluids--Horror just has the class enough to distinguish which ones it ought to censor. While Farce is just the pig in a mud puddle.
Also, expect a lot of slamming doors and cartoon logic in farce--especially if there's some French influence going on.
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Also, who else thinks that the "poetic name" that Samwell comes up with for the History of the Wars after Robert Baratheon's death will be: A Song of Ice and Fire.
*gulps*
Excuse me, my lunch nearly decided to have a word with y'all at how horribly corny that is.
You know, like Kevan and Tywin did... just saying.
Kevan never questioned Tywin. He followed. Since Sansa and Jon have been butting heads one of them should be smart enough to say, "let's speak alone". Jon should have learned a lesson at Castle Black.
That's what Cersei thought, until she started holding small council meetings by herself.
It becomes pretty apparent why Kevan always supported Tywin and had all his arguments backed up for him ahead of time, they clearly met before the meeting and had the actual meeting.
No strategic value? If Cersai loses both Kings Landing and Casterly Rock all in one swell swoop then why would anyone support her claim as queen? Most of the great houses dislike her anyways. In my opinion that's game over if they take those two locations.
Look, let's not get into how Cersei has any support as queen... but as to CR: sure, if it falls, she's weakened, but think of how many troops would fall taking it? If you can win by taking one castle, take one castle, not two! Dany just need's King's landing, she just needs to physically dethrone Cersei, and the story is over. She'll have a mainland castle, the capital, the throne, and all the visuals you'd need to get as much knee bending as the carpets of the red keep can handle.
There are not a lot of Lannisters left, so Casterly Rock probably isn't going to be heavily fortified. If you're talking about the logistics Dany would have control of port cities on the east and west coasts of Westeros. They could move their navy out to any part of the world quickly and easily. Granted their navy just got smoked by Euron, but they don't know that yet.
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Post by silentmajority on Jul 24, 2017 21:39:02 GMT
There seems to be a lot of nitpicking about this season this year. All I have to say is that D&D didn't set out to write shitty Game of Thrones fan fiction. They signed up to adapt novels into a tv series, and I think that for the most part they have done a stellar job. If you want to really blame someone for this shitty season then blame GRRM because he hasn't yet finished the series, and it has forced D&D to soldier on without him.
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I think Kit Harington is the king of monotonous monologues playing a character who is comically overrated by fandom
True, true.
But even in the books, Jon Snow is supposed to be a melancholy bastard.
In the books, Dany is a fun-loving teenager who uses her feminine charms (and exposed breasts) to make men think she's just an innocent girl while she takes over the world.
Kit ain't a great actor, but he's nailed the broody-part of Jon. The irony with Emilia is that she's actually a lot like Dany in real life, youthful with a natural grace and confidence, but on the screen she's boring and insecure. Book-Dany is anything but.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
There seems to be a lot of nitpicking about this season this year. All I have to say is that D&D didn't set out to write shitty Game of Thrones fan fiction. They signed up to adapt novels into a tv series, and I think that for the most part they have done a stellar job. If you want to really blame someone for this shitty season then blame GRRM because he hasn't yet finished the series, and it has forced D&D to soldier on without him.
Yup. I always knew what was coming bc of the books or leaked spoilers. This year I avoided the spoilers to see if it changed my impression of things.
They do have a monstrous task. There's a reason he's called the American Tolkien. There aren't many of his level. We all love this rich world he's built, obviously or we wouldn't be here, but it's torture waiting for the next installment. All D&D know is the end and few major bits along the way.
The blade was Valyrian steel, spell-forged and dark as smoke. Nothing held an edge like Valyrian steel.
There seems to be a lot of nitpicking about this season this year. All I have to say is that D&D didn't set out to write shitty Game of Thrones fan fiction. They signed up to adapt novels into a tv series, and I think that for the most part they have done a stellar job. If you want to really blame someone for this shitty season then blame GRRM because he hasn't yet finished the series, and it has forced D&D to soldier on without him.
Yup. I always knew what was coming bc of the books or leaked spoilers. This year I avoided the spoilers to see if it changed my impression of things.
They do have a monstrous task. There's a reason he's called the American Tolkien. There aren't many of his level. We all love this rich world he's built, obviously or we wouldn't be here, but it's torture waiting for the next installment. All D&D know is the end and few major bits along the way.
That's probably why there's only 13 episodes left. D&D know all the goal posts, but, don't have information as to what happens in between.
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I think Kit Harington is the king of monotonous monologues playing a character who is comically overrated by fandom
True, true.
But even in the books, Jon Snow is supposed to be a melancholy bastard.
In the books, Dany is a fun-loving teenager who uses her feminine charms (and exposed breasts) to make men think she's just an innocent girl while she takes over the world.
Kit ain't a great actor, but he's nailed the broody-part of Jon. The irony with Emilia is that she's actually a lot like Dany in real life, youthful with a natural grace and confidence, but on the screen she's boring and insecure. Book-Dany is anything but.
Spot on. Jon is a mopey bastard. Kit may not be the greatest actor ever but he gets how Jon is supposed to be. Also Kit is pretty good at the whole sword fighting thing so that's a plus at least.
Darkstar will be the next Vulture King.
Craster has 19 daughters and there are 19 castles on the Wall, coincidence I think not!