The best I could muster to give it was a four. This episode was shite, sorry but it was bollocks. Not to keep banging this drum but to sit through that sophomoric drivel after being blessed by David Lynch with one of the greatest episodes of TV in the last ten years was quite a shock to the system.
Post by silentmajority on Aug 29, 2017 12:05:45 GMT
I thought the episode was great!
I have felt all along that this season is in essence the "middle book of a trilogy". It's main purpose was to move characters into position for the final season. The timeline was a mess, yes, but I never cared about timelines in books, and I don't care much more about timelines in the show. If I have one criticism of the show/season it's that upon rewatch there is no way that someone like Littlefinger wouldn't have been able to talk his way out of that corner. He gave up too easy and started begging for his life. They really didn't have any proof that he did any of the stuff they claimed he did. Would have thought Littlefinger would have had plenty of support from the Vale.
I thought the cock conversation between Bronn and Jaime fit into Bronns character, so while it bothered some people I didn't give it a second thought. Another complaint was the Unsullied marching unimpeded to Kings Landing. That also isn't an issue as they would have just lived off of the land. The farmers would not have liked it, but General Sherman marched his army across the South near the end of the Civil War in the same manner. Granted, he's still a hated person in the South to this day, but the Unsullied could have done it.
It seems like Ned Stark weighed heavily in this episode, which I really liked. Lots of callbacks to one of my favorite characters. Many used to say that Ned Stark was naive and had he been more like Tywin that he would have lived, but here we are and the Lannister's are starting to crumble, and the Starks have persevered and risen in power and influence.
What I found interesting in the show was the interaction between Jon and Theon. When Jon said that Ned was still a part of him, and that he was more of a father than his own father, and that he is both Stark and Greyjoy that is going to mirror Jon when he finds out about his history. Ned was more of a father than Rhaegar was, and that he is both Stark and Targaryian. I think that this will make him claim his Stark roots more than his Targaryian because he's going to see what Ned gave up and what he really did to make him part of the family and to raise him to be who he is. The only reason why I can think of why they haven't made this all public knowledge at this point is because at some point Jon is going to have to stake a claim to the Iron Throne, which can only mean that Dany is going to die at some point in the final 6 episodes. Just a thought.
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there is no way that someone like Littlefinger wouldn't have been able to talk his way out of that corner. He gave up too easy and started begging for his life. They really didn't have any proof that he did any of the stuff they claimed he did. Would have thought Littlefinger would have had plenty of support from the Vale.
I thought the same about Petyr for a fraction of a second. When he fell to his knees my mind went blank because I couldn't believe it. However re the last part, I think Royce was in on it. I think everyone was in on it to be honest. I watched that scene several times actually and not a sound, not a peep is heard. The Lord of the Vale would have had a reaction if it was complete news to him, people would have had a reaction. But it just wasn't there. To me it really looked like it was planned and choreographed ahead of time and Petyr realized it by the complete lack of emotion in the room. I mean no evidence was brought of what Bran said. Yet no one questioned it.
It seems like Ned Stark weighed heavily in this episode, which I really liked. Lots of callbacks to one of my favorite characters. Many used to say that Ned Stark was naive and had he been more like Tywin that he would have lived, but here we are and the Lannister's are starting to crumble, and the Starks have persevered and risen in power and influence.
Just wanted to point out that Ned losing his head is the only reason why the Starks have persevered. Possibly Bran would have become the three eyed raven but otherwise we would not get the FM Arya or the resilient player Sansa. I think their rise to power and influence was mostly outside circumstances and trauma teaching them things. It wasn't what Ned Stark thought them. In fact Ned's upbringing fucked up the situation in KL at the dragon pit. Then again I'm sure Cersei would have never kept her word anyway. Still.
“Don’t fight in the North, or the South. Fight every battle everywhere. Always, in your mind.”
Just wanted to point out that Ned losing his head is the only reason why the Starks have persevered. Possibly Bran would have become the three eyed raven but otherwise we would not get the FM Arya or the resilient player Sansa. I think their rise to power and influence was mostly outside circumstances and trauma teaching them things. It wasn't what Ned Stark thought them. In fact Ned's upbringing fucked up the situation in KL at the dragon pit. Then again I'm sure Cersei would have never kept her word anyway. Still.
True, to a point, but Joffrey, Tommen, and whatever her name was wouldn't have been able to perseve in similar situations, so I chalk it up to being raised with strong family values.
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How is Littlefinger going to out scheme the three eyed raven, the all seeing oracle the show has made him? in the second episode Bran basically told LF the jig is up with the Chaos is a Ladder quote, and someone as smart as LF should have known he was out of his element, but he fell to his hubris and underestimating Ned and Cat's kids.
LFs whole game is his ability to spin falsehoods that everyone believes because no one has been there. Bran has been everywhere, and should in theory know what LF will say to defend himself at the trial. when Royce hears this kind of info all from Bran, and then gets confirmation of how LF reacts, no way he doesn't believe it. Plus, Royce only acquiesced to LF after the Sansa reveal, and none of the Vale lords were happy about him being put as Lord Paramount of the Vale. Royce moreso than any others would want him removed just to advance his own claims.
i'm not going to say it was well done, but to think LF has some sort of out due to his masterful lie spinning game completely ignores what the show has made of the all seeing oracle 3eyedraven, and ignores the animosity Royce has towards LF due to the whole gyrfalcon scene where LF threatens him with death...
For me it was a 6/7. I'd be giving it a clear 7 if the reveal wouldn't have been so ugh. Whatever, I'm expecting Howland Reed for the books. With no voiceover when/if they have sex. I love how it took a couple of days to get to White Harbor with the WW threat so close to the Wall. No, let's take our time to have boat sex. Because after all, now we know how deadly is the threat we can relax a bit. Never mind that Bran takes daily rides on those ravens beyond the wall to see everything. I guess for that there's no sense of urgency...
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I was considering under what circumstances would book Rhaegar call him Aegon and I could only think to commemorate his dead son, and that's only if he already knew Elia and his other kids are dead. Targaryen's are weird.
Agreed with this scoring (6). I felt that they did what they did service-ably or rush jobbed things. You could tell their (actors, writers, directors) heart wasn't into it, and they're just hurrying to get it over with and move on with their lives, which is a shame.
As for Jon, I think he'd be named for Aemon in the books, if anyone--and it'd have been nice for the show to have done that as a nod to that character, but IMO what they're doing is merging Jon with Aegon's plot from the books, which tells me that either Jon's endgame plot beyond his resurrection isn't fully fleshed out enough, or not comparable to what D&D have developed Kit Harrington to do on the show (battle sequences).
The double naming of son's isn't all that uncommon I suppose. In real life the second baseman for the Texas Rangers name is Rougned Odor not to be confused with his younger minor league brother by the name Rougned Odor.
George Foreman, the heavyweight boxer, had five or six sons and he named all of them George. He has a bunch of daughters and they have different names, but I believe one or two are named Georgette or Georgina or some form of George, so if he is watching, I feel certain he has no problem with a Aegon 2.0 for Rheagar. Personally I thought it was ridiculous, but it was no more ridiculous than having Gilly present a semi reveal when Samwell is not paying attention and then the following week Samwell is suddenly an expert. I also did not think that John being born in Dorne made him a Sand, but at this point who knows. It's so off the rails, you just have to hang on and scream "Gang way! I'm coming through."
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Post by Dornish Neck Tie on Aug 31, 2017 17:04:03 GMT
[1] Finally watched it.
Whoever said the dialogue belonged in a high school play was spot on. I'll keep watching next year only because the Wall finally came down.
"No true knight would condone such wanton butchery." "True knights see worse every time they ride to war, wench," said Jaime. "And do worse, yes." Brienne turned the rudder toward the shore. "I'll leave no innocents to be food for crows." "A heartless wench. Crows need to eat as well. Stay to the river and leave the dead alone, woman."