Not sure how they will have Jon and Dany react when they find out that they are related especially if she's pregnant. Maybe it won't even be a big deal.
There is actually a term for marriage between an aunt and nephew, or uncle and niece. It's called avunculate marriage and was evidently not uncommon among the royal houses of Europe. Considering that the world of A Song of Ice and Fire is largely based on medieval Europe, it may indeed not be seen as a big deal. We already know that Sansa marrying her first cousin wasn't going to be a shocker.
Yes, I agree with this assessment. Although there is still a threat to Bran in the books that isn't confined to the predations of the Bolton's etc. There is a reason that Bran must get beyond the Wall. He is able to see the enemy in his dreams, he can break into their fires:
Took me a few reads, but I think I see what you were inferring now...
The gargoyles watched him ascend. Their eyes glowed red as hot coals in a brazier. Perhaps once they had been lions, but now they were twisted and grotesque.
My only hesitation here, is that rather than appear to be evidence of Bran piercing the dreams of others, this passage reads more like Bran's own dream has been invaded.
The wizard was a monster of a man, as tall as Victarion himself and twice as wide, with a belly like a boulder and a tangle of bone-white hair that grew about his face like a lion's mane. His skin was black. Not the nut brown of the Summer Islanders on their swan ships, nor the red-brown of the Dothraki horselords, nor the charcoal-and-earth color of the dusky woman's skin, but black. Blacker than coal, blacker than jet, blacker than a raven's wing. Burned, Victarion thought, like a man who has been roasted in the flames until his flesh chars and crisps and falls smoking from his bones.
This seems like a stretch to me. While this might all be a reference to Bran, and the way Bloodraven and Bran appeared in Mel's nightfire, that seems a long reach.
This is a description of Moqorro. He's a burned-black looking man with white hair.
Don't be afraid, I like it in the dark. No one can see you, but you can see them.
I think this passage is all you need to make your point, and I quite agree your point is made by it.
Bran was able to invade Jon's dreams, long before he wed the trees. Bloodraven claimed to have been a part of Bran's first dream, which would have been after Bloodraven wed the trees, presumably. Jon and Bran's kinship might have been a factor in Bran's ability to invade Jon's dream, but that point is rendered moot by Bloodraven's ability to invade Bran's dream.
And, from Mel's POV, we see Bloodraven's image in her nightfire. And, rather than be a passive appearance, caused by Mel, I agree we have cause to believe that Bloodraven himself was actively searching and found Mel at the same time she was attempting to spy...
A face took shape within the hearth. Stannis? she thought, for just a moment … but no, these were not his features. A wooden face, corpse white. Was this the enemy? A thousand red eyes floated in the rising flames. He sees me. Beside him, a boy with a wolf's face threw back his head and howled.
"He sees me" strongly implies an active bit of investigation on Bloodraven's part, and this, for me, proves the other point you were making (without need of the Moqorro reference): Greenseers are able to invade fires of divination, just as they can invade people's dreams.
I have a feeling we will one day see Glass Candles added to this list of greenseer hacking mediums.
Sorry, this is not about the show, but like Melisandre, others are looking for Bran.
No worries. One of the beauties of the Hearth is that we can mix show and book and book with show without breaking any rules. And here, rather than find esoteric comparisons to be annoying (like Elio & Linda), we find them of greatest import.
But anyhoo, to your last point, I don't know if anyone is really looking for the Bran 9000 in the show, aside from their absurd version of the Night King. Bran is dead (according to Meera), and the 9000 is just an old operating system. Mel has her own.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
This is a description of Moqorro. He's a burned-black looking man with white hair.
I trigger on Moqorro (and Benerro) because of Bran's description of eyes like red coals and Victarion's description of Moqorro's white hair like a lion. I expect R'hllor's priests to have red eyes like Melisandre. I think Bran can see through glamors to their true forms, burned and twisted into gargoyles. Moqorro in turn tells Tyrion that the enemy is a tall and twisted thing with ten long arms and one dark eye. This calls up images of the kraken and Euron but I think that's misdirection and Moqorro is describing a greenseer on a weirwood throne. The dark eye seems a reference to the third eye or the mind's eye, the only eye that would be useful in the dark.
As for glass candles, I think they are used in conjunction with fire and blood offerings. At least that seems to be the case with Marwyn. When Sam enters the room he notes the brazier and the smell of something burnt. There is also Varys' story of the voice from the flame:
A Clash of Kings - Tyrion X
"One day at Myr, a certain man came to our folly. After the performance, he made an offer for me that my master found too tempting to refuse. I was in terror. I feared the man meant to use me as I had heard men used small boys, but in truth the only part of me he had need of was my manhood. He gave me a potion that made me powerless to move or speak, yet did nothing to dull my senses. With a long hooked blade, he sliced me root and stem, chanting all the while. I watched him burn my manly parts on a brazier. The flames turned blue, and I heard a voice answer his call, though I did not understand the words they spoke.
Although I suspect Bran's vision was of two priests of R'hllor in the same room.
No worries. One of the beauties of the Hearth is that we can mix show and book and book with show without breaking any rules. And here, rather than find esoteric comparisons to be annoying (like Elio & Linda), we find them of greatest import.
Well I was suspended for 24 hours for making a comment about the Forsaken Chapter. I thought on a thread where discussion of released chapters was allowed. After that, I couldn't be bothered much. I'm not inclined to post there especially if it is something that will threaten cherished notions by some people, who then turn into dingbats. Too much drama. I can't be bothered with that either.
There is actually a term for marriage between an aunt and nephew, or uncle and niece. It's called avunculate marriage and was evidently not uncommon among the royal houses of Europe. Considering that the world of A Song of Ice and Fire is largely based on medieval Europe, it may indeed not be seen as a big deal. We already know that Sansa marrying her first cousin wasn't going to be a shocker.
Well I was suspended for 24 hours for making a comment about the Forsaken Chapter. I thought on a thread where discussion of released chapters was allowed. After that, I couldn't be bothered much.
Yeah. That's lame.
In season 4, iirc, 4 episodes of the new season were released early. Elio proceeded to write a lengthy recap and review of them. markg171 mentioned those same episodes in Heresy, and was immediately banned for good. Banned, for mentioning the verboten episodes Elio had just written pages about.
I'm not inclined to post there especially if it is something that will threaten cherished notions by some people, who then turn into dingbats. Too much drama. I can't be bothered with that either.
It is a great place for developing new ideas, so long as those ideas fit neatly within the boundaries of old ideas.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
Post by silentmajority on Sept 6, 2017 22:53:15 GMT
Just a thought....
So Euron Greyjoy has the most dominant navy in the entire world of Westeros, and then he took all of Cersai's money to hire the most loyal band of mercenaries in the entire world of Westeros the Golden Company, and....why does he need Cersai anymore? On top of everything else she's pregnant with another mans baby.
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So Euron Greyjoy has the most dominant navy in the entire world of Westeros, and then he took all of Cersai's money to hire the most loyal band of mercenaries in the entire world of Westeros the Golden Company, and....why does he need Cersai anymore? On top of everything else she's pregnant with another mans baby.
Maybe Euron will take that navy and the Golden Company and usurp Cersei's throne. She who usurped the throne after her son's death, she who accused Dany of being a usurper, she who thinks she can control Euron Greyjoy - will have her own throne usurped from her. It seems highly likely that Cersei will be double crossed, and they have set it up for Euron to be the likely man to do the job.
Now, Euron might not kill her, he might marry her and force her to have his child, or she will kill herself to avoid that happening, maybe using the same poison that killed her beloved Joffrey.
Just spit-balling here, as really the plot could go anywhere next season, including to Venus on a space ship!
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
The other question I want answered is why someone sent an assassin to kill Bran. We know it was LF knife, but at the time there was no reason to kill him
In the book, it is made clear (strongly implied?) that it was Joeffrey who hired the assassin to kill Bran. This was supposedly to impress his father (Robert) who had made a comment something to the effect that it would be a mercy for Bran to die. The knife was evidently Robert's
I guess that fits into Joffrey's MO, but where would he find an assassin in Winterfell?
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Don't be afraid, I like it in the dark. No one can see you, but you can see them.
I think this passage is all you need to make your point, and I quite agree your point is made by it.
Bran was able to invade Jon's dreams, long before he wed the trees. Bloodraven claimed to have been a part of Bran's first dream, which would have been after Bloodraven wed the trees, presumably. Jon and Bran's kinship might have been a factor in Bran's ability to invade Jon's dream, but that point is rendered moot by Bloodraven's ability to invade Bran's dream.
Or that's time traveling Bran reaching back to Jon, which is also equally (and IMO more likely) possible given how our author likes to write...