What is in there? can think of some theories. sure there are more
Rhaegar's Harp, Great Other, Jon's Tomb, A marriage certificate, Bunch of wights, Dragon Eggs and the Night's Queen.
Wondering why the show lead with that, they do have a habit of pandering to fan theories a little bit. Still, must have some significance in show canon now... and there wasn't much pointing towards it really. They tied it to the feather in the first episode, so its a little meta/cheating at least.
Post by silentmajority on Jan 30, 2019 19:11:27 GMT
Some have suggested that this scene may not even be in the show. That this is a misdirection by the writers, which I guess considering all the leaks from last year that this may make sense. If this scene is in the show then I think it's a vision by Bran which is why we don't see him.
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Some have suggested that this scene may not even be in the show. That this is a misdirection by the writers, which I guess considering all the leaks from last year that this may make sense. If this scene is in the show then I think it's a vision by Bran which is why we don't see him.
I guess it was just a promo, with no part of it being scenes for the final season, but I have to say, I enjoyed that promo. I have been trying to avoid a lot of the hype of Season 8, because I am trying to avoid bitter disappointment, which was how I felt watching Season 7, but this promo was intriguing! Any imagery to do with the crypts is fun, and they really teased that feather. It's show only, but it links Robert and Lyanna, which would be a shock, since the show implies confirmation of RLJ!
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
What is in there? can think of some theories. sure there are more
Rhaegar's Harp, Great Other, Jon's Tomb, A marriage certificate, Bunch of wights, Dragon Eggs and the Night's Queen.
Wondering why the show lead with that, they do have a habit of pandering to fan theories a little bit. Still, must have some significance in show canon now... and there wasn't much pointing towards it really. They tied it to the feather in the first episode, so its a little meta/cheating at least.
A Targaryen wedding cloak is another thing people speculate could be hidden in the crypts. Rhaegar's armor, although the show doesn't mention this at all. Dawn, the greatsword, but I don't think the show focuses on this much at all, either!
Your mention of the feather is interesting. It's come up in a couple of seasons. And it links Robert and Lyanna, although it could indicate how Robert felt that Rhaegar tore them apart! Although in this promo, the feather drifts to the floor as Jon walks by and is eventually frozen, but the implication is still involves Robert and Lyanna! I can't get that out of my mind. Curious to see what the show has in mind, and hoping it doesn't land as flat as Season 7 did.
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
Wondering why the show lead with that, they do have a habit of pandering to fan theories a little bit. Still, must have some significance in show canon now... and there wasn't much pointing towards it really. They tied it to the feather in the first episode, so its a little meta/cheating at least.
Thinking back on this teaser now, considering the reveal that Jon got in Episode 1 about his true parentage, perhaps this is telling us that he does chose his Stark roots, if it's hinted that he will be buried in the crypts. Even with the "dragonride" fresh in my head, I feel like Jon is facing a choice between Stark and Targaryen and he will chose Stark. Does it also hint that that someone will survive to be in charge of these burials and statues?
Perhaps we will finally see Ghost if and when Jon is finally forced to make a choice between the dragonblood and the wolfblood? Ghost will be his reminder of who he truly is!
Also, there is that damn feather, an creation of D&D, and they like to stroke their own idea's and ego's, so I imagine it will pop up again. The feather that is tied to Robert and Lyanna... of course, we only know that from the "behind the episodes" so it's certainly not canon in the show but it does live in the minds of D&D.
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
Jon told Theon that Theon does not need to choose, that he is both a Greyjoy and a Stark so maybe, Jon is equipped to be both a wolf and a dragon also, the sigil for Kit in the show is a Stark sigil, not a Targ sigil
not saying these things as a finality, maybe he cannot practice what he preached
My cynical guess: Jon has a moment in episode 2 where he chooses to be a Stark. This is also when we get the only glimpse of Ghost in the entire season. Then in episode 5 Jon appears in shiny black Targaryen armor just because it's cool...
...but Dany still rides around on Drogon wearing a dress.
A Targaryen wedding cloak is another thing people speculate could be hidden in the crypts. Rhaegar's armor, although the show doesn't mention this at all. Dawn, the greatsword, but I don't think the show focuses on this much at all, either!
The wedding cloak is a great idea. After all, it's really the only symbol of marriage we have. I don't think there's been much talk about his harp thought that's what I suspect will be in the book crypt.
In the ToJ scene when Ned rushes to Lyanna he lays Dawn against the bed and the pommel is clearly visible but I don't think anyone but bookies would know what it was/meant. Especially since D&D had the SotM fighting with 2 fn swords. Smh Tragic!
And it links Robert and Lyanna, although it could indicate how Robert felt that Rhaegar tore them apart! Although in this promo, the feather drifts to the floor as Jon walks by and is eventually frozen, but the implication is still involves Robert and Lyanna!
D&D recently picked up "symbolism for dummies". The feather falling and freezing signifies the death of the Lyanna/Robert love story.
Perhaps we will finally see Ghost if and when Jon is finally forced to make a choice between the dragonblood and the wolfblood? Ghost will be his reminder of who he truly is!
A scene with Jon siding with Ghost over Rhaegal would be pretty cool. Maybe they're fighting over a bone? Or Dany discovers that the dragons aren't eating bc they want wolf and Jon has to put his foot down?
My cynical guess: Jon has a moment in episode 2 where he chooses to be a Stark. This is also when we get the only glimpse of Ghost in the entire season.
Aren't dresses more practical? I mean, that's why she always wore a dress when riding her Silver with the Dothraki, right?
Hm maybe, but that's because Dothraki don't wear armor. Still if Dany's going into warzones, she should absolutely wear at least some armor. In the loot train attack, they aimed arrows at her while she was in the air and later Jaime charged at her with a spear. It's pretty clear that there isn't any logic behind the costume design. It's just fashion. Jon wears a huge fur coat in King's Landing ...because that's what northerners wear.
Jon told Theon that Theon does not need to choose, that he is both a Greyjoy and a Stark so maybe, Jon is equipped to be both a wolf and a dragon also, the sigil for Kit in the show is a Stark sigil, not a Targ sigil
not saying these things as a finality, maybe he cannot practice what he preached
Of course, the show set's up Jon being able to be both Stark and Targaryen with that scene from last season (which I thought was cheesy as hell, btw) but after Jon's conversation with Arya about not forgetting his family, I am not so sure about what Jon will do. I think he will feel torn, but he will need to make a choice. At least initially...
Also, it seems to me that Theon made a choice after his rescue of his sister, and that choice was Stark.
The wedding cloak is a great idea. After all, it's really the only symbol of marriage we have. I don't think there's been much talk about his harp thought that's what I suspect will be in the book crypt.
Honestly, I doubt the show will go in the direction of something being hidden in the crypts that helps prove Jon's parentage with the RLJ thing for a couple reasons. First, there is no reason for proof! I mean not one person even seems concerned with the validity of these claims in the show world, and I don't think things that would make sense in the real world apply. Things like proof! Second, the harp has not been mentioned in the show, or at least barely a mention, and I doubt D&D would remember when they can't even be bothered to know their own canon, and as to marriage cloaks, while they have been shown in the show, the just seem to disappear after the wedding and have no bearing on anything afterward. Shit, in Bran's shite vision of Rhaegar and Lyanna doesn't even feature a wedding cloak, so why think there ever was one. I had a third reason, but after sharply typing up my last two responses, I became so irritated that I forgot what else I was going to say.
In the ToJ scene when Ned rushes to Lyanna he lays Dawn against the bed and the pommel is clearly visible but I don't think anyone but bookies would know what it was/meant. Especially since D&D had the SotM fighting with 2 fn swords. Smh Tragic!
Yes, Dawn and the Dayne's don't seem to matter much in the showverse, but at least Dawn was shown, and I don't think the show ever tells us that Ned returned it to Starfall. It is mentioned in one of the the History and Lore, I think, from Season 6, though, so that might make it show canon. All the history that is in the DVD's talks about how Ned returned the sword, I think. So, I doubt it's in the crypts.
D&D recently picked up "symbolism for dummies". The feather falling and freezing signifies the death of the Lyanna/Robert love story.
While I agree that D&D's symbolism is about kindergarten level, they do appreciate their own influence on the story, and the feather is one of those things. And I disagree with the idea that a frozen feather indicates death. Ice preserves, after all, is what we are told. And now we have this stupid feather, that has popped up with Ned and Robert in the crypts, later with Sansa and Littlefinger in the crypts (it had fallen to the ground but Sansa picks it up and places it back in Lyanna's hand if I remember correctly) and now it shows up again in the promo. They are bringing it to mind for a reason. If they really wanted to indicate death of that Robert/Lyanna connection because of a Targaryen/fire prince, they should set that feather a fire. But they don't, it's preserved (frozen) and waiting, like everything else in the crypts!
I suppose one could argue that the feather doesn't really indicate Robert and Lyanna's love, but hints at the lie that became the commonly accepted story of Lyanna's kidnapping, but again, that shits on Lyanna and Rhaegar's character, and in a way paints Robert as the effected/damaged party!
Man, I hope someone put's Gendry on the throne before this all is done!
A scene with Jon siding with Ghost over Rhaegal would be pretty cool. Maybe they're fighting over a bone? Or Dany discovers that the dragons aren't eating bc they want wolf and Jon has to put his foot down?
Speaking of "Symbolism for Dummies" of course this war between Jon's dragon ( ) and his direwolf would be something the show would certainly use. Jon get's a glimpse of Ghost in the godswood or the crypts, and uses it as a way to make his choice. If they decide to fucking feed Ghost to a dragon, I will find their houses and burn them down. I shit you not!
But, in the symbolism department, with Dany and Sansa in the spitting match/cat fight, I do wonder about Dany's line about the dragon's eating "whatever they want" could indicate that Dany's dragon will do some harm to Sansa. We do have Rhaenyra being eaten by a dragon, so would D&D steal that and use it. Aegon II won that battle but ended up a bitter and hated man! Would that be the last step that Dany needs to take to push almost all of her supporters away?
I would really like it if Dany ended up eaten, perhaps by Rhaegal who is now miraculously Jon's dragon, I guess, but I doubt that would happen. Since she can't be burned, there is no way to cook her, and that makes her unpalatable for the dragons, I suppose!
Hm maybe, but that's because Dothraki don't wear armor. Still if Dany's going into warzones, she should absolutely wear at least some armor. In the loot train attack, they aimed arrows at her while she was in the air and later Jaime charged at her with a spear. It's pretty clear that there isn't any logic behind the costume design. It's just fashion. Jon wears a huge fur coat in King's Landing ...because that's what northerners wear.
The lack of armor on dragonback as well as a saddle has always been purely for effect with the show. I am sure a saddle would look displeasing and perhaps make CGI harder to do, even if it's practical. Even if the first season set's Tyrion up as a saddle designer that helped both himself and Bran ride again... So far, we haven't seen on horse in battle that isn't ridden with a saddle, but why the hell would we let logic get in our way at this point with the dragons?
It doesn't bother me that Dany wear's dresses. They have always been a hybrid of a shorter skirt with pants underneath, really since the first season with Dany, so I can't be bothered by that honestly. So many other things bother me more...
Like the fact that not one important character wears a helmet in battle is the most ridiculous thing ever. Hell, in S1E1, Jaime and the Hound wore helm's while trotting into Winterfell, but can't be bothered by that practical bit of protection at all anymore, let alone in a battle! Heck, it's winter, and no one even needs a hat or scarf, and as long as someone has hot glued enough fake fur to their collar's, it's all fine!
I like any scene they play out in the crypts. My favorite part of WF.
I enjoy the crypts as well, but the more that they have just about any random character down there, I get irritated. It's like a fricking hallway. I expect we will soon get a scene of Varys, Tyrion and Davos wandering around in the crypts while spouting cliches and idioms at one another. Anything that might sound good on a t-shirt!
Now, I suppose that they will have people hiding in the crypts, away from the battle at Winterfell, a rip off of Helm's Deep battle from Peter Jackson's version of Tolkein's story. And it does make a great place to hide, no doubt. And perhaps we will find that the Night's King cannot enter the crypts for some reason, like he can't enter Bloodraven's cave, or couldn't, until the ward was broken.
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
Honestly, I doubt the show will go in the direction of something being hidden in the crypts that helps prove Jon's parentage with the RLJ thing for a couple reasons. First, there is no reason for proof! I mean not one person even seems concerned with the validity of these claims in the show world, and I don't think things that would make sense in the real world apply. Things like proof! Second, the harp has not been mentioned in the show, or at least barely a mention, and I doubt D&D would remember when they can't even be bothered to know their own canon, and as to marriage cloaks, while they have been shown in the show, the just seem to disappear after the wedding and have no bearing on anything afterward. Shit, in Bran's shite vision of Rhaegar and Lyanna doesn't even feature a wedding cloak, so why think there ever was one. I had a third reason, but after sharply typing up my last two responses, I became so irritated that I forgot what else I was going to say.
I remembered my third thing. Just like the show has never gone into Jon's warg abilities, it has also never gone into Jon's dreams of the crypts, how it seems like he is almost searching for something in the crypts, something that terrifies him, so there is really no reason for the show watcher to even suspect that there might be something in the crypts that ties to Jon, besides Lyanna's statue itself, that is! And in the show, Jon never once focuses on Lyanna's history or her statue, so there is no reason for him to even be interested in that. When ever we see Jon in the crypts, his focus is on Eddard's statue, and Lyanna's statue is just in the background, teasing the viewing audience but Jon the character is oblivious to it. So, no reason to think something his hidden in Lyanna's statue that could affect Jon.
Of course, the show doesn't need logic to place some item in the crypt, I suppose.
Perhaps in the battle of Winterfell, Jon and the Night's King will be fighting in or around Lyanna's statue, one of them knocks it over and suddenly the perfect weapon to kill the Night's King is revealed, which then Jon can pick up and use and make an end to the whole bloody war, poof, just like that!
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.