Can you text him back and ask if he has Ned's face somewhere? Or Jaquen's? Perhaps in a dufflebag he keeps under the bed!
Yes, Arya does say this line back to Syrio (in the show) and also to Ned (in the first season and the book). It comes up a couple other times too, but it did originate in a conversation with Jon and Arya.
The Pointy End is actually the title of the episode from S1 that GRRM wrote himself, and this is the episode when Arya escapes the Red Keep by killing the stable boy, so it definitely revolves around her character. Which, in all seriousness, with her having Needle, a Valyrian steel dagger and now her custom dragonglass spear, it seems like she will have lots of options that involve pointy ends.
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
OK, look - you lost me at Dragon Demands. That guy is the most twisted fuck in the entire fandom. Twisted in Capital Letters. And I have my on-hand experience with the guy.
Well, I have no idea who he is, but it does seem like he has a real hatred for David Benioff. And he talks about D&D like "they must be stopped", which is quite absurd and over the top. But my response was not about the video maker but Bryan Cogman's dialogue during the rape scene on the DVD commentary and how obviously emotional and bothered he was by the criticism he received from fans and critics for that scene. Really, really bothered. That scene was probably one of the most criticized things from both the show and book fandom, and GRRM himself, and I think that could cause the producer's to want to respond.
I doubt I will watch the "behind the scenes" stuff with the producers but if they focus on the Arya sex scene, I would almost bet they make a point about saying how the power was all in Arya's hands.
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
I thought the Arya scene was weird too, but for different reasons that what I'm reading.
In the show, Arya is 18. Maisie Williams is 22. I think people might be overreacting because her face looks young. Given that and her height, it's easy to think of her as a kid. Before we clutch our pearls too tightly, let's remember that Daenerys was 13 years old in AGoT when Khal Drogo forced her into sex before she was ready. (Yes, I know she eventually said yes, but that doesn't change the fact that she was forced into the act.)
Getting back to the show, I think Maisie Williams asked for this scene, and since D&D have zero source material and are relying upon fan theories and fiction for their scripts, I think they were easy to persuade. GoT is known for nudity, and this was an easy way for Maisie to shed being typecast as a child actress.
Even if I can see why they would do it, this leads to my reason for not caring for the scene.
Book-Arya has largely abandoned her sexuality, except for when she used it to kill Raff as Mercy. In that case, the seduction was clearly just an element of the assassination.
And finally, I have reached my point: Arya doesn't plan her death, she plans the deaths of others. She is confident in little else. Neither show- nor book-Arya fears a fight. Arya is a she-wolf of Winterfell after all. Arya would not expect to die on the morrow, she would expect to kill on the morrow.
I think there are a lot of fans of both the books and show who try to 'ship these characters, and the show definitely hinted at it with Gendry and Arya. But it doesn't seem like something Arya would care about on the eve of battle. She would be cleaning Needle, reciting her prayer, and stalking her targets as Nymeria.
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"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
They are cousins, at least in the books. Jeor and Maege were brother and sister and Jorah is Jeor's son and Lyanna is Maege's youngest daughter. So, cousins. Has the show portrayed them differently?
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
I have no life, I'm on my third re-watch. At any rate, bad-ass, little Lyannna Mormont told Jorah, "I wish you good fortune." Guess that foreshadows that BOTH of them are "goners"? I of course recall the same with the Ned/SAD exchange, but didn't a couple of others have a similar exchange? Jon? voice Help, please?
Cersei does not ask the mountain to kill him then and there for his treason, but then tells Bronn to go do it???
It is possible this is Qyburn's plan and not Cersei's. He has always seemed ripe for betrayal, especially in the first episode this season when he talks about how much he owes Cersei for how high he has climbed. It did not seem genuine to me.
Yes, in the show, SAD and Mance say this. And I feel like it comes up one another time so I had to do some searching and Benjen/Coldhands says an abbreviated version of this to Bran and Meera after he strands them at the weirwood tree and rides off on the only horse! "I wish you good fortune" is what he says, leaving out the wars to come part.
Getting back to the show, I think Maisie Williams asked for this scene, and since D&D have zero source material and are relying upon fan theories and fiction for their scripts, I think they were easy to persuade. GoT is known for nudity, and this was an easy way for Maisie to shed being typecast as a child actress.
Actually, I had this thought while I was watching this scene. Yes, my mind wandered that much! That this was something that Maisie might have wanted. And D&D seem to like to keep their actor's happy, which is how we ended up with Ed Sheeran playing a Lannister soldier last season, in one of the corniest scene's of the season. But hey, Maisie loved it! The funny thing is, she has had characters in other shows that have had a sexual nature about them so she has already attempted to shed that label, and this will not change her being typecast based on playing Arya Stark. Nothing will change that. Only really great acting will help a person, and not everyone is Nikolaj Coster-Waldau! Actor's rise to the top, like cream. If you are going to float, it's cause you are the right stuff!
However, this then is another example of the show producer's allowing the actors to dictate the character's actions, not the actor's having to fit the character. This is why the character development has become so poor in recent years, and the scenes play out so choppy.
Apparently Lena argued with D&D about Cersei sleeping with Euron. She didn't want it, they did. They won but her argument is that Cersei would not use sex to keep Euron under her power. Of course we know this is how Cersei works in the books, even though she might not like what she is doing. But even Show Cersei, which Lena has acted for nearly 10 years, doesn't seem to remember S2 when she was coaching Sansa that the best weapon that Sansa had was between her legs, etc. So, again, actor's thinking they understand the character's better than the producers (who were still doing a good job in S2) or the script writer. Who was GRRM in the Blackwater episode, as a matter of fact.
I thought the Arya scene was weird too, but for different reasons that what I'm reading.
Well, the worst thing was that if felt both rushed and forced (not on the character's, well, maybe forced on Gendry) but pushed to quickly. My complaint was that in part the writers would push this scene, and make Arya the aggressor, in a response to critic's of Sansa's forced sexual relationship. Yes, the Dany/Drogo relationship is tough early on, although they aged her up for the show, but she and Drogo also developed a love story and Dany developed power with Drogo, she could manipulate him. That makes her situation and Sansa/Ramsay very, very different.
I loved the call back to Drogo in this episode btw. Dany is soon to meet Drogo and Rhaego in the night lands, I think.
Book-Arya has largely abandoned her sexuality, except for when she used it to kill Raff as Mercy. In that case, the seduction was clearly just an element of the assassination.
And finally, I have reached my point: Arya doesn't plan her death, she plans the deaths of others. She is confident in little else. Neither show- nor book-Arya fears a fight. Arya is a she-wolf of Winterfell after all. Arya would not expect to die on the morrow, she would expect to kill on the morrow.
I think there are a lot of fans of both the books and show who try to 'ship these characters, and the show definitley hinted at it with Gendry and Arya. But it doesn't seem like something Arya would care about on the eve of battle. She would be cleaning Needle, reciting her prayer, and stalking her targets as Nymeria.
I have decided to take DarkSister1001 's advice and pretend the books have no bearing on the show, otherwise it's just too irritating, but you are correct that this sexual nature is not something the show has ever given Arya's character either. At least with Sansa, her beauty and budding sexual nature have always been on display, right from S1E1. But Arya and Sansa are very different characters, book and show alike.
I did actually appreciate Gendry taking her advice and getting his own pants off. That is actually very a smart man! Keep the ladies happy!
As to Arya's death, the show is certainly trying to foreshadow her not living past the next episode, but I find that over the top foreshadowing. You are correct on Show Arya's plan with death. "Not today", she would say!
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
They are cousins, at least in the books. Jeor and Maege were brother and sister and Jorah is Jeor's son and Lyanna is Maege's youngest daughter. So, cousins. Has the show portrayed them differently?
Oh right. Sorry, I was thinking Maege was Jorah sisters. Not Jeors.
The blade was Valyrian steel, spell-forged and dark as smoke. Nothing held an edge like Valyrian steel.
Post by DarkSister1001 on Apr 22, 2019 20:19:15 GMT
Arya oogles Gendry in Season 2. That's about it. After the dagger throwing it seems like she wants him to know she's not a child. Her questions about the Red Woman almost remind me of book Arya/Gendry and the ringing of the bells. I think Theon is comfortable for Sansa. He saved her once and lacks the equipment to rape her.
The blade was Valyrian steel, spell-forged and dark as smoke. Nothing held an edge like Valyrian steel.