Don't know if I should do a separate thread for each episode, but I wanted to discuss a couple nuances I noticed episode 1 with Ser Mojo this time around...when he's not jealous of my foruming.
first thing was the Benjen Jon Snow convo difference, next Jorah's line to Dany at her wedding.
cliffhanger not intended, I needed to type those two things to remember for later. Btw, I noticed King Bob putting the feather in Lyanna's statue's hand! Soon!
ok I have time for the Jorah's thing real fast: he tells Dany at introduction he served her father many years. Was that in the book?! BS when did he serve Aerys. We kind of talked about this before though.
ugh, have to go, I'll come back to Benjen ::eyeroll::
โNever forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armour yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you.โ โ George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones
The whole prologue section is completely different too! I wrote a bit about it in the prologue reread thread. When I get the chance I'll copy and paste my posts over. Big things that I remember were the wildings bodies chopped up and arranged in a symbol. Will survived instead of Gared and if possible, Ser Waymar was even more of an ass.
As for Jorah, I could be wrong, but I don't recall any conversation like that. I never noticed the feather either, until it was brought up when Sansa found it this season.
Why must I always be the isle of crazy alone in an ocean of sensibility? The should to everybody elseโs shouldnโt? The I-will to their better-nots?
So Benjen tells Jon when he's talking about joining the watch, that he can't have a family or father sons, tells him he might feel differently if he knew what that meant. There is no mention about Benjen talking of fathering bastards, so maybe Benjen doesn't have bastards, though I've hoped he did in the books. I'd of loved him to be Jon's secret dad, but he can't be of course, because he was at WF playing the lord while Ned was off at war and brought back his little gift for Cat.
BTW, @serduncan and markg171, when Ser Mojo was watching with me last night, Ned offered up the name Wylla to King Bob in the show- in the book doesn't Bob come up with the name on his own and Ned just doesn't disagree?
So, you'll like this: Ser Mojo points at the tv and exclaims "WYLLA! See?! There's your answer right there!! THIS is what you guys fight about on your forum?!"
LOL! I just smiled and nodded. He's an expert now after watching two episodes and reading nothing. He didn't figure out Jaime and Cersei were brother/sister until I told him episode 4, though, so maybe the show is harder to follow for the unsullied.
I feel like I need to go back to book one again and dump storm. I made it to Ch.38, I have an Arya to get through next.
โNever forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armour yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you.โ โ George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones
So uh...I don't know if it's episode 7 or 8, but when Robert and Cersei have that great scene and Ned gets his leg broken outside the brothel...how many episodes has that been? Well while Cersei and Robert are talking, Ser Mojo asks me who Cersei is and how she's related to Robert
I really want to restart at this point, but he insists he knows what's going on...
โNever forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armour yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you.โ โ George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones
LOL! Mr. Morrigan and I restart each season with the first year, thru the last year, so he can remember who the characters are. He isn't a fiction fan, no interest in reading the story at all. He says because he can't keep names straight in a story...but start talking politics or rock music, and names fall out of him like crazy!
I wonder if that's just how most "unsullied" are with the show? Mr. D. has been watching since the beginning and has no idea who half the characters are. Funny thing is, he tried to get me to watch back then, but I had no desire to watch it until after I read the books. I think it's my alternative to having a new book fix. I started binge watching as soon as I finished reading. Now whenever I say something about one of the characters he'll look at me dumbfounded and ask who's that again. I keep trying to get him to read the books too, but he's a bit behind on his reading. I blame the cell phone. He's glued to it but hasn't yet figured out the kindle app.
Why must I always be the isle of crazy alone in an ocean of sensibility? The should to everybody elseโs shouldnโt? The I-will to their better-nots?
Post by regular jon umber on Oct 5, 2015 6:21:47 GMT
It depends on the watcher - I have a friend who is only a TV watcher, and the other day he came to me with this theory he had about Jon Snow's parentage: basically he gleaned R+L=J from the show alone.
And then there's my wife - someone way smarter than me - who, when listening to this conversation, had no idea what a Targaryen is, or who Daenerys is ("Oh, why didn't you say Khaleesi?"). Heck, I had no idea what was going on in the first few episodes back when I started (I watched S1 before I started reading).
I think it's probably because the show (as a show) is really quite layered - you have the politics (the game) , the battles (Blackwater, Castle Black), the gratuitous nudity (all that sexposition), the badassery (Arya, Dany, the Viper), the fantasy elements (Direwolves, Dragons, shadow babies), and of course the shocks (Ned, RW, PW, Shireen, etc) so people can hook into it at various levels. Someone won't know who Cersei is, if all they care about is the white walkers.
Btw, I noticed King Bob putting the feather in Lyanna's statue's hand!
Maybe they exchanged love letters via raven?
It was because I didn't remember where it came from when I saw Season 5 this year
โNever forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armour yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you.โ โ George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones
โNever forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armour yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you.โ โ George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones
Ser Mojo's about to see Ned lose his head in about 16 minutes. I'm on hand to hold him and let him know it's still ok for a grown man to cry, given the circumstances.
โNever forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armour yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you.โ โ George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones
"WYLLA! See?! There's your answer right there!! THIS is what you guys fight about on your forum?!"
LOL! markg171 has been saying it all along! And I certainly don't disagree. I think it would be awesome if GRRM never intended it to be a mystery, but the 93 letter seems to suggest it was an intentional misdirect.
I wonder if that's just how most "unsullied" are with the show?
Unsullied come up with all kinds of funny stuff. Keep in mind, that for them, Tyrion killed his father for calling the whore a "whore"... who he himself had just strangled for being a whore.
It depends on the watcher - I have a friend who is only a TV watcher, and the other day he came to me with this theory he had about Jon Snow's parentage: basically he gleaned R+L=J from the show alone.
Really? I guess with LF's musings to Sansa it's possible. Then there was Barristan and Dany's convo. But other than that it seems hard to foresee for me, from the show alone.
Ser Mojo's about to see Ned lose his head in about 16 minutes. I'm on hand to hold him and let him know it's still ok for a grown man to cry, given the circumstances.
It still gets to me every time I read it.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
voice, didn't he kill his dad for calling her a whore...and sleeping with her? I mean other than the fact he hates his dad...and yes, Ser Mojo screamed at how fucked up it was to kill the main character, yada yada yada...
โNever forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armour yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you.โ โ George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones
voice, didn't he kill his dad for calling her a whore...and sleeping with her? I mean other than the fact he hates his dad...and yes, Ser Mojo screamed at how fucked up it was to kill the main character, yada yada yada...
But he just killed Shae for being a whore...
In canon, Tyrion killed Tywin for insulting his wife, Tysha...
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
Also, show bran knows Aerys burned Rickard alive, and I don't think the Starks knew the truth in canon.
โNever forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armour yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you.โ โ George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones
I think you may be correct. There was something about that in a thread I was reading on W. It might have been @sly Wren 's, or maybe her very smart friend? Brain fog, sorry. I meant to look it up.