Post by Direwolf Blitzer on Oct 20, 2015 19:55:41 GMT
So I picked up the eBook and read the (first three) Dunk and Egg stories yesterday. My first impressions:
1.) It's all much "neater" than aSoIaF. We have one PoV character, and he's not a very complex character.
2.) It's not nearly as dark. While Dunk does have some of the "true knight" disappointment that Sansa suffers from, the story keeps saving his bacon. In aSoIaF, the Snail would have killed Dunk, Pease would have killed the Snail, then Daemon would have killed everyone else. Oh, and Egg would be a child sex slave in some Essosi slave operation.
3.) The storytelling is simpler and more obvious. I saw the marriage in "The Sworn Sword" coming from like page 2. Dunk is definitely not about "subverting tropes," as some say about GRRM's other works.
4.) Dunk = Super-Davos
Does anyone think GRRM is dropping aSoIaF sekrit messages in there? The continuing Blackfyre rebellions and plots of Blackfyre-loyal lords certainly made me think of Young Griff. It could be the exact same story.
So I picked up the eBook and read the (first three) Dunk and Egg stories yesterday. My first impressions:
1.) It's all much "neater" than aSoIaF. We have one PoV character, and he's not a very complex character.
2.) It's not nearly as dark. While Dunk does have some of the "true knight" disappointment that Sansa suffers from, the story keeps saving his bacon. In aSoIaF, the Snail would have killed Dunk, Pease would have killed the Snail, then Daemon would have killed everyone else. Oh, and Egg would be a child sex slave in some Essosi slave operation.
3.) The storytelling is simpler and more obvious. I saw the marriage in "The Sword Sword" coming from like page 2. Dunk is definitely not about "subverting tropes," as some say about GRRM's other works.
4.) Dunk = Super-Davos
Does anyone think GRRM is dropping aSoIaF sekrit messages in there? The continuing Blackfyre rebellions and plots of Blackfyre-loyal lords certainly made me think of Young Griff. It could be the exact same story.
I've been doing a slow turtle paced reread of the first two stories and I'm currently enjoying the third for the first time. I find reading Martin at such a slow leisurely pace allows me to absorb all the details which he writes with and tries to hide in the corner.
What struck me about the stories when I first read them, especially The Sworn Sword, was that it was TV writing. Very blatantly Baby Boomer TV writing. When I think Baby Boomer TV writing, I think of such "gems" as:
Captain Planet Law & Order The Simpsons etc.
In other words TV series that thrive on subverting social expectations that were status quo circa 1960, but are so long gone that the expectation of subversion is there already and you can figure that out in a heartbeat. They have clear moral messages and agendas, are neat and well-packaged, etc.
The same style of writing can be seen in Baby Boomer film making as well.
It feels like they're still fighting against social expectations that no longer exist or hold any actual sway anymore, and they are unaware that they are now the majority or new power, but still write as though they're still edgy and not mainstream.
Of course Rohanne Webber wasn't going to be an Old Widowed woman, like Dunk thought. Dunk still thinks in the old conventions of storytelling.
Martin lays that hint early by having Ser Eustace say that Lord Wyman's daughter and his son Addam were fond of each other and grew up together, and we know that Lord Wyman's daughter inherited. Ergot, anyone can figure out that Dunk's assumption of "survived 5 husbands? must be an old woman" is faulty from the get go.
Of course Dunk isn't going to win anything on the tourney grounds of Ashford or get to kiss Tanselle Too-Tall, showing up the aristocracy by proving his might on the lists, those are the old conventions which must always be subverted!
Martin is subverting tropes so old, that no one really considers them to be tropes except out of some sense of tradition. Instead the anti-tropes have become the new tropes, and Baby Boomers just haven't realized it yet--and likely never will at this point.
Martin is subverting tropes so old, that no one really considers them to be tropes except out of some sense of tradition. Instead the anti-tropes have become the new tropes, and Baby Boomers just haven't realized it yet--and likely never will at this point.
A thousand times this! They all grew up thinking they were special snowflakes rebelling against the man, and don't realize that they ARE the man, and have been for a long time.