Pretty much called all of what Preston talks about here in my earlier post. Here's PJ's version, with special guest star: Daario Naharis.
Thanks for posting! I didn't even see that the video was up as of yet. I'm behind with my reading, having a hard time with this one for some reason, but will come back when I finally slog through it all.
Why must I always be the isle of crazy alone in an ocean of sensibility? The should to everybody else’s shouldn’t? The I-will to their better-nots?
Pretty much called all of what Preston talks about here in my earlier post. Here's PJ's version, with special guest star: Daario Naharis.
Thanks for posting! I didn't even see that the video was up as of yet. I'm behind with my reading, having a hard time with this one for some reason, but will come back when I finally slog through it all.
Yeah, I was having a hard time with this one as well. For some reason I could only get through to where they departed to go find out what the Meatbringer was doing. It wasn't really until I realized Annelyn = Jaime that I then gave it a second chance.
Ahem... I'm starting to worry for Preston's sanity...
That's actually one of his more tame interpretations. I do find it interesting, as the bodies are always arranged oddly on GOT after an attack from the Others. Unfortunately, I don't think that it's always the same pattern. He shows the pattern from the prologue attack, but after the attack on the Fist of the NW the bodies were arranged in a spiral.
Why must I always be the isle of crazy alone in an ocean of sensibility? The should to everybody else’s shouldn’t? The I-will to their better-nots?
Seems to me that mudpots are almost exactly how CotF, particularly their greenseers were presented in the books so far: -telepathic/hive minded native species, with names that are beyound human comprehension -after a short mobile reproductive period, they become sedentary for thousands of years -effectively 'deathless', due to the collective consciousness living on -they dream 'strange green dreams' that humans cannot comprehend, symphonies of thought -these dreamers, 'lost in their vast songs' were slow to react to human presence at first, and when they finally woke up to defend themselves, they had to discover that their pre-existing 'weapons' were useless against humans
Now, these 'silent musicians', after taking some time to figure out what was going on, and with their ability to 'manipulate the stuff of life itself', started creating new 'guardians' to match every challenge humans threw at them (akin to biological engineering), pretty much kicking the humans' collective asses. Hmmmmm.
I just finished reading 'Plaguestar' tonight. There were only a couple of things that stood out to me. First was the space suit with special features, that somehow reminded me of Rhaegar's armor and @prettypig's speculations about it based on the black armor from Marvel. I had posted the relevant quote in her thread a while back. Second would be that Martin really seems to like his Checkov's guns. He uses one to end the tale. Third, the Plaguestar itself is reminiscent of the red comet. At one point in the prologue, it is even mentioned that it should be red and not white denoting fire and blood. Lastly, this seems to be another tale of morally ambiguous characters, with a flawed character ending as the hero of sorts.
Why must I always be the isle of crazy alone in an ocean of sensibility? The should to everybody else’s shouldn’t? The I-will to their better-nots?
I just finished reading 'Plaguestar' tonight. There were only a couple of things that stood out to me. First was the space suit with special features, that somehow reminded me of Rhaegar's armor and @prettypig 's speculations about it based on the black armor from Marvel. I had posted the relevant quote in her thread a while back. Second would be that Martin really seems to like his Checkov's guns. He uses one to end the tale. Third, the Plaguestar itself is reminiscent of the red comet. At one point in the prologue, it is even mentioned that it should be red and not white denoting fire and blood. Lastly, this seems to be another tale of morally ambiguous characters, with a flawed character ending as the hero of sorts.
Yes, that's a big one. And maybe the motif of the plague returning just when the planet starts to recover from the previous one (although in the case of Westeros 'recovering' would correspond to 'utterly forgetting about the whole thing', so not really comparable to something that comes in every three generations). Even so, I don't see Westerosi comets and magic turning out to be long-forgotten alien technology, as PJ seems to think. Even if they are, in the back of GRRM's mind, he said he likes his magic 'profoundly unknowable and wondrous', so obscure hints and references are the most we're likely to get.
Is it just me, or is Tuf very much like Tyrion? A flatter and less outgoing version, but has a very similar feel. And Celise Waan has a lot in common with her namesake (at least I imagine it's pronounced similar to Selyse? English pronounciation makes no sense to me much of the time, so not certain)
Yes, that's a big one. And maybe the motif of the plague returning just when the planet starts to recover from the previous one (although in the case of Westeros 'recovering' would correspond to 'utterly forgetting about the whole thing', so not really comparable to something that comes in every three generations). Even so, I don't see Westerosi comets and magic turning out to be long-forgotten alien technology, as PJ seems to think. Even if they are, in the back of GRRM's mind, he said he likes his magic 'profoundly unknowable and wondrous', so obscure hints and references are the most we're likely to get.
Yes. Both do seem to be cyclical events, one is just a longer cycle than the other. I agree that the comet will probably not turn out to be a long forgotten alien spacecraft. I think that it could be possible that the comet is the cause or partial cause of the events that are occurring, but tend to agree that we might not ever know the answer for sure.
Is it just me, or is Tuf very much like Tyrion? A flatter and less outgoing version, but has a very similar feel. And Celise Waan has a lot in common with her namesake (at least I imagine it's pronounced similar to Selyse? English pronounciation makes no sense to me much of the time, so not certain)
Interesting. I hadn't connected Tuf to Tyrion prior to you mentioning it, but thinking about it now, there are certain similarities. Both are more clever than they appear outwardly, and both take advantage of that fact. Both seem to be, at least until now, unlikely heroes.
English pronunciation makes little sense on most occasions, I agree, even as a native English speaker. But, you are correct, Celise and Selyse would be pronounced the same. And, yes, I agree, they have quite similar personalities. The one who confused me was Jefri Lyon. The name brings to mind Lannisters. The actual character, however, does not.
Why must I always be the isle of crazy alone in an ocean of sensibility? The should to everybody else’s shouldn’t? The I-will to their better-nots?
Seems to me that mudpots are almost exactly how CotF, particularly their greenseers were presented in the books so far: -telepathic/hive minded native species, with names that are beyound human comprehension -after a short mobile reproductive period, they become sedentary for thousands of years -effectively 'deathless', due to the collective consciousness living on -they dream 'strange green dreams' that humans cannot comprehend, symphonies of thought -these dreamers, 'lost in their vast songs' were slow to react to human presence at first, and when they finally woke up to defend themselves, they had to discover that their pre-existing 'weapons' were useless against humans
Now, these 'silent musicians', after taking some time to figure out what was going on, and with their ability to 'manipulate the stuff of life itself', started creating new 'guardians' to match every challenge humans threw at them (akin to biological engineering), pretty much kicking the humans' collective asses. Hmmmmm.
Just finished reading it. I'm amazed at how evocative it was of the CotF. Even the descriptive language is similar. You captured the idea quite well in your post, but I thought that the following quote pretty much says it all.
For millennia beyond counting they have dwelled in tranquility and peace beneath the seas of this world. They are a slow, thoughtful, philosophic race, and they lived side by side in the billions, each linked with all the others, each an individual and each a part of the great racial whole. In a sense they were deathless, for all shared the experiences of each, and the death of one was as nothing. Experiences were few in the unchanging sea, however. For the most part their long lives are given over to abstract thought, to philosophy, to strange green dreams that neither you nor I can truly comprehend. They are silent musicians, one might say. Together they have woven great symphonies of dreams, and those songs go on and on.
Why must I always be the isle of crazy alone in an ocean of sensibility? The should to everybody else’s shouldn’t? The I-will to their better-nots?
Yes, that's a big one. And maybe the motif of the plague returning just when the planet starts to recover from the previous one (although in the case of Westeros 'recovering' would correspond to 'utterly forgetting about the whole thing', so not really comparable to something that comes in every three generations). Even so, I don't see Westerosi comets and magic turning out to be long-forgotten alien technology, as PJ seems to think. Even if they are, in the back of GRRM's mind, he said he likes his magic 'profoundly unknowable and wondrous', so obscure hints and references are the most we're likely to get.
Yes. Both do seem to be cyclical events, one is just a longer cycle than the other. I agree that the comet will probably not turn out to be a long forgotten alien spacecraft. I think that it could be possible that the comet is the cause or partial cause of the events that are occurring, but tend to agree that we might not ever know the answer for sure.
Is it just me, or is Tuf very much like Tyrion? A flatter and less outgoing version, but has a very similar feel. And Celise Waan has a lot in common with her namesake (at least I imagine it's pronounced similar to Selyse? English pronounciation makes no sense to me much of the time, so not certain)
Interesting. I hadn't connected Tuf to Tyrion prior to you mentioning it, but thinking about it now, there are certain similarities. Both are more clever than they appear outwardly, and both take advantage of that fact. Both seem to be, at least until now, unlikely heroes.
English pronunciation makes little sense on most occasions, I agree, even as a native English speaker. But, you are correct, Celise and Selyse would be pronounced the same. And, yes, I agree, they have quite similar personalities. The one who confused me was Jefri Lyon. The name brings to mind Lannisters. The actual character, however, does not.
Yup, that confused me as well. I have trouble linking him to a single SoIaF character, but maybe Ned comes closest in as much that both are competent in their own field, but more out of their depth than they can imagine when it comes to the Game. A game of 'win or die', I might add, thanks mainly to Kaj Nevis (with hints of Cersei or Theon?) and Rica Dawnstar, whom PJ pins down as Littlefinger ... I guess that works, the most 'devious' character who likes to 'kick over the board', kinda like LF thriving in chaos. He also matches Tuf with Sansa, as unlikely winners, being on the sidelines while others kill each other off ... not so sure about that, but it's certainly a possibility.
Seems to me that mudpots are almost exactly how CotF, particularly their greenseers were presented in the books so far: -telepathic/hive minded native species, with names that are beyound human comprehension -after a short mobile reproductive period, they become sedentary for thousands of years -effectively 'deathless', due to the collective consciousness living on -they dream 'strange green dreams' that humans cannot comprehend, symphonies of thought -these dreamers, 'lost in their vast songs' were slow to react to human presence at first, and when they finally woke up to defend themselves, they had to discover that their pre-existing 'weapons' were useless against humans
Now, these 'silent musicians', after taking some time to figure out what was going on, and with their ability to 'manipulate the stuff of life itself', started creating new 'guardians' to match every challenge humans threw at them (akin to biological engineering), pretty much kicking the humans' collective asses. Hmmmmm.
Just finished reading it. I'm amazed at how evocative it was of the CotF. Even the descriptive language is similar. You captured the idea quite well in your post, but I thought that the following quote pretty much says it all.
For millennia beyond counting they have dwelled in tranquility and peace beneath the seas of this world. They are a slow, thoughtful, philosophic race, and they lived side by side in the billions, each linked with all the others, each an individual and each a part of the great racial whole. In a sense they were deathless, for all shared the experiences of each, and the death of one was as nothing. Experiences were few in the unchanging sea, however. For the most part their long lives are given over to abstract thought, to philosophy, to strange green dreams that neither you nor I can truly comprehend. They are silent musicians, one might say. Together they have woven great symphonies of dreams, and those songs go on and on.
Yes, that one quote says it all. If, instead of the seas, they lived the tunnels from the House of the Worm, that 'were reputed to be infinite, descending as far below the earth as the black sky ascends above', and where you're likely to get eaten by Gendel's children grouns if you go too deep, it could easily be mistaken for a description of the CotF.
The video is up for Bitterblooms. Not much talk about the blue flowers surprisingly. He seemed much more focused on the seasons and Morgan LeFay.
I've just started this book club and I'm really enjoying it. The Hero began surprising like Ned's fever dream (blood-streaked sky). I can definitely see Ned as The Hero.
Men of Greywater Station definitely has me thinking. All of the men remind me of brothers of the Night's Watch.
And Bitterblooms just has parallels all over the place! Might need a thread just for each story! I'm going to re-listen to Greywater Station
I've only read these three so far and will be listening to the audio versions back and forth from classes today. Cool stuff so far!
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
Okay...I'm all caught up. More than caught up actually. I've red up to and through Dying of the Light. Really enjoying these stories. While I see many of PJ's parallels, I am as of yet still unconvinced Planetos is an interregnum world.
That being said, GRRM clearly repeats many of the same plot devices and metaphors in ASOIAF. I wish I had taken notes because I spotted some in the earlier novels that PJ didn't touch on in his videos.
Another thing I cannot dismiss is PJ's point about the theta appearing in Game of Thrones. Very interesting implications there, possibly.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."