Whew! At first I was afraid he was going to spoil my still-being-written theory, but instead he went with wolfmaid7 's.
I don't know. It sounds closer to BC's ideas to me... I'm pretty sure that wolfmaid7 argues for human greenseers not CotF.
True, but BC looks at the Others as mere weapons of mass destruction, created by tree huggers. Wolfy's the one that argues for greenseers (though human) adapting ice magic and necromancy for their purposes. LmL has a similar idea.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
I don't know. It sounds closer to BC's ideas to me... I'm pretty sure that wolfmaid7 argues for human greenseers not CotF.
True, but BC looks at the Others as mere weapons of mass destruction, created by tree huggers. Wolfy's the one that argues for greenseers (though human) adapting ice magic and necromancy for their purposes. LmL has a similar idea.
So do I actually. Although I think that there are several factions of the white walkers. I'm just not sure if the greenseers create them per se or you just need to have the traits of a greenseer to become one.
Why must I always be the isle of crazy alone in an ocean of sensibility? The should to everybody else’s shouldn’t? The I-will to their better-nots?
I'm just not sure if the greenseers create them per se or you just need to have the traits of a greenseer to become one.
I'd lean towards the latter, more than the former, as GS have been shown to create nothing in the books so far. But regarding the latter, I still contend that greenseers see green, see nature, see natural life. The Others are not natural, and raise the dead. Completely different branch of magic in my opinion.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
I have to go back and read that again at some point. It's been a while, and well, there were no related bewbs or kielbasa. I'm still researching the faction idea, but I'm thinking Wildings are one, then the Starks to fight them, then possibly the ironborn are tied into it as well. :::
I'd lean towards the latter, more than the former, as GS have been shown to create nothing in the books so far. But regarding the latter, I still contend that greenseers see green, see nature, see natural life. The Others are not natural, and raise the dead. Completely different branch of magic in my opinion.
So would I, actually. Generally, the greenseers use earth and water magic, whereas ice and blood magic is used for the white walkers. I do think that there's a special trait that is needed. Hence Craster's sons. They need to be able to have their spirit/soul extracted from their bones.
Why must I always be the isle of crazy alone in an ocean of sensibility? The should to everybody else’s shouldn’t? The I-will to their better-nots?
I'd argue Earth alone... as the hammer of the waters resulted from a shift in earth...
You may be right about that, but I do believe that the Crannogmen are indeed using both. Plus, the greenseers are linked to nature in general, and water is part of nature. In fact I think that earth and water are opposing elements.
Were Craster's sheep also imbued with this special trait then? Because according to Craster's wives, they were taking them too.
No. But I do imagine that they made a tasty meal for whoever is collecting the sons. What other reason do they have to allow Craster's to remain safe. Look what he did to Mance's messenger. Why did no one take retaliation for that. Craster's has something that they need.
No. But I do imagine that they made a tasty meal for whoever is collecting the sons. What other reason do they have to allow Craster's to remain safe. Look what he did to Mance's messenger. Why did no one take retaliation for that. Craster's has something that they need.
Mayhaps. I know BC and P.Frye are big on this too. It always seemed rather selective to me. According to the wives, Craster offers the "gods" sheep as well as sons. That means they can be appeased by mutton as easily as they can be appeased by children of his own blood. So I don't see anything special about him.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
I've always wondered if this is to point out that humans are also part of this cult. This and the burnt sheep offerings in the weirwood tree, and Val's pin.
I've always wondered if this is to point out that humans are also part of this cult. This and the burnt sheep offerings in the weirwood tree, and Val's pin.
Huh--might fit in with the echoes in the show (yes, I know I'm committing blasphemy here) between the Walker circle and Dany's dragon-producing-fire circle.
Both result in some sort of magic (it seems). Both take human sacrifice. So, both initiated by humans?
We've speculated on Mel's being a transformed human (fire wight). And we have a few examples in the novels re: sacrifice and new "kinds" of life. So. . . the Walkers/Others as being raised by a human cult. . . I could see that. And it then gets out of control--like the dragons.
A kind of symmetry.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
Never understood the strict separation between the two at the dubya. Now that the show will be concluding before the books, it seems even sillier. As karsa has so dutifully pointed out, we're all anxiously awaiting the novelization of a television series.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
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