Your lordship lost a son at the Red Wedding. I lost four upon the Blackwater. And why? Because the Lannisters stole the throne. Go to King’s Landing and look on Tommen with your own eyes, if you doubt me. A blind man could see it. What does Stannis offer you? Vengeance. Vengeance for my sons and yours, for your husbands and your fathers and your brothers. Vengeance for your murdered lord, your murdered king, your butchered princes. Vengeance!
I just want to point out Lady Dyanna and SlyWren that if we were dealing with book-Sansa, I would completely agree that Sansa is taking the reigns.
But in the show they have extended her victimization far beyond the books. While Alayne is learning how to be strong, Sophie Turner is repeatedly running from one bastard to another....literally.
I really don't want to mention the cartoon, but the cartoon has made such discrepancies even worse:
Rather than see intelligent women in charge of their own lives, we are given caricatures. And while Sansa is not so bad as the Sand Snakes (yet), she has yet to show any real control of the situation.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
I just want to point out Lady Dyanna and SlyWren that if we were dealing with book-Sansa, I would completely agree that Sansa is taking the reigns.
But in the show they have extended her victimization far beyond the books. While Alayne is learning how to be strong, Sophie Turner is repeatedly running from one bastard to another....literally.
HA! Fair point. Though she does need to get someplace safe to re-group with hell hounds after her.
The show has been pretty uneven with Sansa. She'll jump off of a wall but won't get in a river???
Still, the two scenes this episode, she seems to be winning.
Rather than see intelligent women in charge of their own lives, we are given caricatures. And while Sansa is not so bad as the Sand Snakes (yet), she has yet to show any real control of the situation.
Well, if the bar is "Dornish Killer Pixies," no one has trouble clearing it.
But I still prefer Sansa's get my family on board approach to Dany's--but that may also be in part because Dany's scene with the Khal's was painful.
So. . . pax until we see where they take Sansa from here?
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
I just want to point out Lady Dyanna and SlyWren that if we were dealing with book-Sansa, I would completely agree that Sansa is taking the reigns.
But in the show they have extended her victimization far beyond the books. While Alayne is learning how to be strong, Sophie Turner is repeatedly running from one bastard to another....literally.
HA! Fair point. Though she does need to get someplace safe to re-group with hell hounds after her.
The show has been pretty uneven with Sansa. She'll jump off of a wall but won't get in a river???
Still, the two scenes this episode, she seems to be winning.
Rather than see intelligent women in charge of their own lives, we are given caricatures. And while Sansa is not so bad as the Sand Snakes (yet), she has yet to show any real control of the situation.
Well, if the bar is "Dornish Killer Pixies," no one has trouble clearing it.
But I still prefer Sansa's get my family on board approach to Dany's--but that may also be in part because Dany's scene with the Khal's was painful.
So. . . pax until we see where they take Sansa from here?
Pax.
And I more than agree regarding Dany's approach. I am very curious to see how that scene plays out with non-readers. I'd like to think I would find it comical if I had not read the books, but I cannot know. Seemed pretty bad to me. LOL
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
And I more than agree regarding Dany's approach. I am very curious to see how that scene plays out with non-readers. I'd like to think I would find it comical if I had not read the books, but I cannot know. Seemed pretty bad to me. LOL
Some reviewers were arguing that the Dornish Pixies were empowering.
I get that everyone has different ideas of "empowering" and that's fine. But the Dornish Pixies were ridiculous. They are chaotic and violent with minimal impulse control.
That's not power. That's a toddler with weapons.
So, yes--the Dany sen was embarrassing. I know the actress thought it was an amazing seen, but from an acting standpoint, Sophie had a LOT more control than Emilia did.
Huh--That may be part of where my opinion comes from: judging the acting alone, Sophie NAILED it and outacted Harrington and the rest of them. Only Tormund (I can't spell that actor's name) came close to matching her in those scenes.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
And I more than agree regarding Dany's approach. I am very curious to see how that scene plays out with non-readers. I'd like to think I would find it comical if I had not read the books, but I cannot know. Seemed pretty bad to me. LOL
Some reviewers were arguing that the Dornish Pixies were empowering.
I get that everyone has different ideas of "empowering" and that's fine. But the Dornish Pixies were ridiculous. They are chaotic and violent with minimal impulse control.
That's not power. That's a toddler with weapons.
So, yes--the Dany sen was embarrassing. I know the actress thought it was an amazing seen, but from an acting standpoint, Sophie had a LOT more control than Emilia did.
Huh--That may be part of where my opinion comes from: judging the acting alone, Sophie NAILED it and outacted Harrington and the rest of them. Only Tormund (I can't spell that actor's name) came close to matching her in those scenes.
Emilia's scene was. . . .not good.
More than agree. The Sand Snakes might be seen as strong characters in a Quentin Tarantino movie, but they don't fit into the series very well.
And Dany's scene was really, really forced. Cgi face, brazier napalm, and inspired subordination because of bewbs and fire? Shouldn't the Dosh Khaleen be familiar with bewbs and fire?
Sophie was definitely in control as an actress. I'm just so very sick of seeing Sansa desperate.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
Ya know I luv ya voice,but I think that might be where we need to agree to disagree. For the first time in a long time I actually thought that Sansa really wasn't desperate. She was in charge, and strong, and lending her strength to Jon.
Why must I always be the isle of crazy alone in an ocean of sensibility? The should to everybody else’s shouldn’t? The I-will to their better-nots?
Ya know I luv ya voice,but I think that might be where we need to agree to disagree. For the first time in a long time I actually thought that Sansa really wasn't desperate. She was in charge, and strong, and lending her strength to Jon.
I want to see what you see, believe me.
But so far, I'm not seeing it.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
Ya know I luv ya voice,but I think that might be where we need to agree to disagree. For the first time in a long time I actually thought that Sansa really wasn't desperate. She was in charge, and strong, and lending her strength to Jon.
i don't read this the same way at all. She came off petulant and manipulative to me, and although it was nice to see her with a little fire in her belly, and i give her props for apologizing for being a little twit, she is not caring one whit about Jon's wants post caesaring, and is using his familial bond to further her own ends (the whole, "i'll do it without you if i have to" line is not lending strength, it is purely manipulating him to get what she wants. Yes, he wants to go back before they all left WF as well, but she flat out ignored him saying he's tired of fighting, like it wasn't valid for him to feel that way. Jon is going to be devastated returning to the shell that WF is post sack imo... it will not be home to him anymore, particularly after he descends to the crypts in the last episode this season).
With her only having Cersei and Petyr as role models since Ned lost his head, this should come as no surprise, but to claim this is being strong and in charge, i just don't see it that way.
