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ACOK- Chapter 44 Jon V Jul 26, 2015 19:08:15 GMT SlyWren likes this

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A Clash of Kings - Jon V

"They'll all be seen to."

The ranger gave his horse into the care of one of his men and followed. "You are Jon Snow. You have your father's look."

"Did you know him, my lord?"

The context is that Qhorin met Jon and this is their first exchange of words. Again someone recognized Jon as a Son of Winterfell just by his look "His Fathers Look". Very interesting.

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ACOK- Chapter 44 Jon V Jul 26, 2015 19:20:24 GMT SlyWren likes this

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Jul 26, 2015 19:08:15 GMT princeofghost said:

The context is that Qhorin met Jon and this is their first exchange of words. Again someone recognized Jon as a Son of Winterfell just by his look "His Fathers Look". Very interesting.

Interesting indeed! Qhorin knew Benjen, right? This might lend some credence to the crackpot

Benjen+Lyanna=Benjen being sent to the Wall, and Jon.

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Do we know Quorin's backstory? IE: does he have a "pre-Wall" interest in Starks as a Northerner, or is his interest in and recognition of Starks tied to his Ranging? Picking up ideas North of the Wall and at the Wall?

The fact that a few people Jon runs into North of the Wall recognize and note his Starkness--that can't just be about Jon. Has to be Starkness's importance per se, no?

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Aug 16, 2015 18:38:09 GMT SlyWren said:

Do we know Quorin's backstory? IE: does he have a "pre-Wall" interest in Starks as a Northerner, or is his interest in and recognition of Starks tied to his Ranging? Picking up ideas North of the Wall and at the Wall?

The fact that a few people Jon runs into North of the Wall recognize and note his Starkness--that can't just be about Jon. Has to be Starkness's importance per se, no?

Well, Quorin would know Benjen's looks after 16 years or however long it has been. But how would he know what Ned looks like? Maybe through stories that Ben told?
Really this question of Starkness goes back to Ned's alleged knowledge deficit of North-lore. Something important seemingly wasn't transmitted to second son Ned?

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Sept 3, 2015 1:57:04 GMT @morrigansraven said:

Well, Quorin would know Benjen's looks after 16 years or however long it has been. But how would he know what Ned looks like? Maybe through stories that Ben told?
Really this question of Starkness goes back to Ned's alleged knowledge deficit of North-lore. Something important seemingly wasn't transmitted to second son Ned?

Ned tells Robert he should go and see the Wall. Which makes it sound like Ned has been to the Wall. Could be he's seen Quorin there, no?

Though that doesn't explain the basic importance of Starks to those beyond the Wall. Or why the Bastard of Winterfell would matter so much . . .

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Aug 16, 2015 18:38:09 GMT SlyWren said:

Do we know Quorin's backstory? IE: does he have a "pre-Wall" interest in Starks as a Northerner, or is his interest in and recognition of Starks tied to his Ranging? Picking up ideas North of the Wall and at the Wall?

The fact that a few people Jon runs into North of the Wall recognize and note his Starkness--that can't just be about Jon. Has to be Starkness's importance per se, no?

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The ranger gave his horse into the care of one of his men and followed. "You are Jon Snow. You have your father's look."

"Did you know him, my lord?"

"I am no lordling. Only a brother of the Night's Watch. I knew Lord Eddard, yes. And his father before him."

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"I am no lordling. Only a brother of the Night's Watch. I knew Lord Eddard, yes. And his father before him."

I really hate the "Qhorin = Arthur Dayne" theory, so would this put paid to the theory? I don't recall Dayne knowing Rickard Stark.

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Sept 10, 2015 6:16:33 GMT regular jon umber said:

"I am no lordling. Only a brother of the Night's Watch. I knew Lord Eddard, yes. And his father before him."

I really hate the "Qhorin = Arthur Dayne" theory, so would this put paid to the theory? I don't recall Dayne knowing Rickard Stark.

I'm not sure. But I will say that Qhorin can't possibly be Arthur Dayne. Mance is Arthur Dayne!

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Sept 10, 2015 6:16:33 GMT regular jon umber said:

"I am no lordling. Only a brother of the Night's Watch. I knew Lord Eddard, yes. And his father before him."

I really hate the "Qhorin = Arthur Dayne" theory, so would this put paid to the theory? I don't recall Dayne knowing Rickard Stark.

Wasn'the Rickard at the Harrinhall tournament?

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Sept 10, 2015 19:43:27 GMT @morrigansraven said:

Sept 10, 2015 6:16:33 GMT regular jon umber said:

I really hate the "Qhorin = Arthur Dayne" theory, so would this put paid to the theory? I don't recall Dayne knowing Rickard Stark.

Wasn'the Rickard at the Harrinhall tournament?

No I believe all his children were there though.

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Sept 11, 2015 4:19:50 GMT Lady Dyanna said:

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Sept 10, 2015 19:43:27 GMT @morrigansraven said:

Sept 10, 2015 6:16:33 GMT regular jon umber said:

I really hate the "Qhorin = Arthur Dayne" theory, so would this put paid to the theory? I don't recall Dayne knowing Rickard Stark.

Wasn'the Rickard at the Harrinhall tournament?

No, he stayed home to be the Stark in Winterfell while all his pups went south... without adult supervision.

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