Mayhaps Summerhall had a red door and a lemon tree near the window.
I doubt it, or at least the lemon tree part of it, given that it was largely ruined and abandoned. However, Summerhall definitely would fall into the category of "a tower long fallen".
Agree with wolfmaid, I don't think Ned would have left Dany to die - in fact, the opposite. We have a lot of connection between Ned and Dany in Ned's POV chapters; he even knows exactly how old she is when arguing with Robert about her assassination - he specifically says "a 14 year old girl", which is funny given that she just turned 14 a few months prior. That's odd, for someone 1) from the North, so far removed from the Targaryens, and 2) who helped bring down her family dynasty in the Rebellion.
And again, we have pointed out over and over all of the "triggered association" Ned has with Dany, all of Dany's shared imagery with the North, ice, whatever. Blue roses, natural horsemanship, drink from the cups of ice and fire, etc. Ned's guilts, his shame, living his lies - whatever it is, Daenerys is part of it.
Mayhaps Summerhall had a red door and a lemon tree near the window.
I doubt it, or at least the lemon tree part of it, given that it was largely ruined and abandoned. However, Summerhall definitely would fall into the category of "a tower long fallen".
Agree with wolfmaid, I don't think Ned would have left Dany to die - in fact, the opposite. We have a lot of connection between Ned and Dany in Ned's POV chapters; he even knows exactly how old she is when arguing with Robert about her assassination - he specifically says "a 14 year old girl", which is funny given that she just turned 14 a few months prior. That's odd, for someone 1) from the North, so far removed from the Targaryens, and 2) who helped bring down her family dynasty in the Rebellion.
And again, we have pointed out over and over all of the "triggered association" Ned has with Dany, all of Dany's shared imagery with the North, ice, whatever. Blue roses, natural horsemanship, drink from the cups of ice and fire, etc. Ned's guilts, his shame, living his lies - whatever it is, Daenerys is part of it.
Agreed. Ned certainly cares a lot about Dany. Barry might well be right to associate her with Ashara - and Ashara with Stark. Was just toying with the idea of a birth at the tower of joy, bloody stones, a red door, and trying to fit those in with the cold hard canon (supported by subsequent ssm) of only Ned and Howland living to ride away. I really don't see how any birth could have taken place there.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
You know what's strange about the notion that Lyanna was at the tower and it was Rhaegar who took her there. In the attempt to make where the toj is more fetile in order to accomadate invisible wild roses growing in the grassland of the Dornish Marches.Whether you deem the Marches in the Stormlands as the wiki says or just part of Dorne period. It is very close to the Stormlands and argueably the worse place you can keep Lyanna strtegically if you were Rhaegar.
I'd also point out that the idea that Rhaegar and Lyanna were at the TOJ only shows up after Robert and his army leaves the Stormlands. At least according to the app that after the Battle of the Bells there were rumours that that's where they were. And then according to Jaime Rhaegar returned from the south (but never mentioned where in the south) after the Battle of the Bells. So at this point in time, the Stormlands are indeed kind of open given that Robert's in the Riverlands.
But at the same time, if they're only at the TOJ now, then that means that they probably passed right through Robert's lands while he was still there/nearby as that's a journey of months and Robert spends a decent amount of time in the Stormlands. Or if they just missed Robert and his army, then they would have just passed through while Mace Tyrell's army is sweeping through. Basically it seems not only odd but also incredibly risky, that they escaped any notice at all passing through these areas during the timeframe that they had to to have been there around the time of the Battle of the Bells.
Of course I don't actually believe that secrecy was really being attempted. I mean you can't get around the fact that, even without the above stuff that has them passing by basically a combined army of 100,000, the tower of joy was on the main way into Dorne, right by castles who's jobs it is to guard the pass. If would be like saying that you could escape notice getting into the Vale through the Bloody Gate, or into the West through the Golden Tooth, or through to the north through Moat Cailin. These are all funnels where people notice your passing, and it's the same with the Prince's Pass. The idea that no one noticed they'd passed through this area, and then stopped at a tower overlooking the pass to stay there for a year, and no one noticed is ridiculous. Of course people must have noticed... if they were there of course.
Your lordship lost a son at the Red Wedding. I lost four upon the Blackwater. And why? Because the Lannisters stole the throne. Go to King’s Landing and look on Tommen with your own eyes, if you doubt me. A blind man could see it. What does Stannis offer you? Vengeance. Vengeance for my sons and yours, for your husbands and your fathers and your brothers. Vengeance for your murdered lord, your murdered king, your butchered princes. Vengeance!
I doubt it, or at least the lemon tree part of it, given that it was largely ruined and abandoned. However, Summerhall definitely would fall into the category of "a tower long fallen".
Agree with wolfmaid, I don't think Ned would have left Dany to die - in fact, the opposite. We have a lot of connection between Ned and Dany in Ned's POV chapters; he even knows exactly how old she is when arguing with Robert about her assassination - he specifically says "a 14 year old girl", which is funny given that she just turned 14 a few months prior. That's odd, for someone 1) from the North, so far removed from the Targaryens, and 2) who helped bring down her family dynasty in the Rebellion.
And again, we have pointed out over and over all of the "triggered association" Ned has with Dany, all of Dany's shared imagery with the North, ice, whatever. Blue roses, natural horsemanship, drink from the cups of ice and fire, etc. Ned's guilts, his shame, living his lies - whatever it is, Daenerys is part of it.
Yes and yes i second the "Starkish" symbolism around her.But for whom do the Stark symbolism toll???? Dun dun dun.
I'd also point out that the idea that Rhaegar and Lyanna were at the TOJ only shows up after Robert and his army leaves the Stormlands. At least according to the app that after the Battle of the Bells there were rumours that that's where they were. And then according to Jaime Rhaegar returned from the south (but never mentioned where in the south) after the Battle of the Bells. So at this point in time, the Stormlands are indeed kind of open given that Robert's in the Riverlands.
But at the same time, if they're only at the TOJ now, then that means that they probably passed right through Robert's lands while he was still there/nearby as that's a journey of months and Robert spends a decent amount of time in the Stormlands. Or if they just missed Robert and his army, then they would have just passed through while Mace Tyrell's army is sweeping through. Basically it seems not only odd but also incredibly risky, that they escaped any notice at all passing through these areas during the timeframe that they had to to have been there around the time of the Battle of the Bells.
Of course I don't actually believe that secrecy was really being attempted. I mean you can't get around the fact that, even without the above stuff that has them passing by basically a combined army of 100,000, the tower of joy was on the main way into Dorne, right by castles who's jobs it is to guard the pass. If would be like saying that you could escape notice getting into the Vale through the Bloody Gate, or into the West through the Golden Tooth, or through to the north through Moat Cailin. These are all funnels where people notice your passing, and it's the same with the Prince's Pass. The idea that no one noticed they'd passed through this area, and then stopped at a tower overlooking the pass to stay there for a year, and no one noticed is ridiculous. Of course people must have noticed... if they were there of course.
I'd also point out that the idea that Rhaegar and Lyanna were at the TOJ only shows up after Robert and his army leaves the Stormlands. At least according to the app that after the Battle of the Bells there were rumours that that's where they were. And then according to Jaime Rhaegar returned from the south (but never mentioned where in the south) after the Battle of the Bells. So at this point in time, the Stormlands are indeed kind of open given that Robert's in the Riverlands.
But at the same time, if they're only at the TOJ now, then that means that they probably passed right through Robert's lands while he was still there/nearby as that's a journey of months and Robert spends a decent amount of time in the Stormlands. Or if they just missed Robert and his army, then they would have just passed through while Mace Tyrell's army is sweeping through. Basically it seems not only odd but also incredibly risky, that they escaped any notice at all passing through these areas during the timeframe that they had to to have been there around the time of the Battle of the Bells.
Of course I don't actually believe that secrecy was really being attempted. I mean you can't get around the fact that, even without the above stuff that has them passing by basically a combined army of 100,000, the tower of joy was on the main way into Dorne, right by castles who's jobs it is to guard the pass. If would be like saying that you could escape notice getting into the Vale through the Bloody Gate, or into the West through the Golden Tooth, or through to the north through Moat Cailin. These are all funnels where people notice your passing, and it's the same with the Prince's Pass. The idea that no one noticed they'd passed through this area, and then stopped at a tower overlooking the pass to stay there for a year, and no one noticed is ridiculous. Of course people must have noticed... if they were there of course.
It only makes the most amount of sense do ofcourse it is wrong.
"The world is full of obvious things which nobody by any chance ever observes"--Sherlock Holmes"
I'd also point out that the idea that Rhaegar and Lyanna were at the TOJ only shows up after Robert and his army leaves the Stormlands. At least according to the app that after the Battle of the Bells there were rumours that that's where they were. And then according to Jaime Rhaegar returned from the south (but never mentioned where in the south) after the Battle of the Bells. So at this point in time, the Stormlands are indeed kind of open given that Robert's in the Riverlands.
But at the same time, if they're only at the TOJ now, then that means that they probably passed right through Robert's lands while he was still there/nearby as that's a journey of months and Robert spends a decent amount of time in the Stormlands. Or if they just missed Robert and his army, then they would have just passed through while Mace Tyrell's army is sweeping through. Basically it seems not only odd but also incredibly risky, that they escaped any notice at all passing through these areas during the timeframe that they had to to have been there around the time of the Battle of the Bells.
Of course I don't actually believe that secrecy was really being attempted. I mean you can't get around the fact that, even without the above stuff that has them passing by basically a combined army of 100,000, the tower of joy was on the main way into Dorne, right by castles who's jobs it is to guard the pass. If would be like saying that you could escape notice getting into the Vale through the Bloody Gate, or into the West through the Golden Tooth, or through to the north through Moat Cailin. These are all funnels where people notice your passing, and it's the same with the Prince's Pass. The idea that no one noticed they'd passed through this area, and then stopped at a tower overlooking the pass to stay there for a year, and no one noticed is ridiculous. Of course people must have noticed... if they were there of course.
Or they could have taken a system of tunnels from Harrenhall to Dorne. My crakpot theory, at least. Same would hold true if they were in the crypts beneath Winterfell, tunnels.
I'd also point out that the idea that Rhaegar and Lyanna were at the TOJ only shows up after Robert and his army leaves the Stormlands. At least according to the app that after the Battle of the Bells there were rumours that that's where they were. And then according to Jaime Rhaegar returned from the south (but never mentioned where in the south) after the Battle of the Bells. So at this point in time, the Stormlands are indeed kind of open given that Robert's in the Riverlands.
But at the same time, if they're only at the TOJ now, then that means that they probably passed right through Robert's lands while he was still there/nearby as that's a journey of months and Robert spends a decent amount of time in the Stormlands. Or if they just missed Robert and his army, then they would have just passed through while Mace Tyrell's army is sweeping through. Basically it seems not only odd but also incredibly risky, that they escaped any notice at all passing through these areas during the timeframe that they had to to have been there around the time of the Battle of the Bells.
Of course I don't actually believe that secrecy was really being attempted. I mean you can't get around the fact that, even without the above stuff that has them passing by basically a combined army of 100,000, the tower of joy was on the main way into Dorne, right by castles who's jobs it is to guard the pass. If would be like saying that you could escape notice getting into the Vale through the Bloody Gate, or into the West through the Golden Tooth, or through to the north through Moat Cailin. These are all funnels where people notice your passing, and it's the same with the Prince's Pass. The idea that no one noticed they'd passed through this area, and then stopped at a tower overlooking the pass to stay there for a year, and no one noticed is ridiculous. Of course people must have noticed... if they were there of course.
Or they could have taken a system of tunnels from Harrenhall to Dorne. My crakpot theory, at least. Same would hold true if they were in the crypts beneath Winterfell, tunnels.
Weasel Pie loves tunnels! I had to give him a shout out haha