Actually we do know Arthur's rough age. We can figure it out through a variety of things, mostly being that he's known to be a KG by at least 276 as he wins the Lannisport tourney as one, but basically it works out to be that he's born roughly around 254, and therefore he's 27 in 281 when the Kingswood Brotherhood campaign was happening.
Which also is of course younger than Barristan's 44 years at that time.
markg171 , I'd like to add these to the timeline, but I didn't want to derail your (f)Dany thread...
Can you elaborate on Arthur's age deduction a bit? I realize Jaime was the youngest KG ever, and that the tourney at Lannisport was the same year as Viserys' birth, but other than a minimum, how do you narrow down the birth year for Arthur?
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
but other than a minimum, how do you narrow down the birth year for Arthur?
Well I suppose it does kind of work out that it's just a minimum and not his actual only possible date of birth but the reasoning is as follows
We know that Arthur's in the KG by at least by 276 given that he wins the Lannisport tourney then as a KG
Later that same year, Lord Tywin Lannister, perhaps unwisely, held a great tournament at Lannisport in honor of Viserys's birth. Mayhaps it was meant to be a gesture toward reconciliation. There the wealth and power of House Lannister was displayed for all the realm to see. King Aerys at first refused to attend, then relented, but the queen and her new son were kept under confinement back at King's Landing. There, seated on his throne amongst hundreds of notables in the shadow of Casterly Rock, the king cheered lustily as his son Prince Rhaegar, newly knighted, unhorsed both Tygett and Gerion Lannister, and even overcame the gallant Ser Barristan Selmy, before falling in the champion's tilt to the renowned Kingsguard knight Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning.
And we know that at 15 Jaime is the youngest KG ever.
Jaime reached for the flagon to refill his cup. "So many vows . . . they make you swear and swear. Defend the king. Obey the king. Keep his secrets. Do his bidding. Your life for his. But obey your father. Love your sister. Protect the innocent. Defend the weak. Respect the gods. Obey the laws. It's too much. No matter what you do, you're forsaking one vow or the other." He took a healthy swallow of wine and closed his eyes for an instant, leaning his head back against the patch of nitre on the wall. "I was the youngest man ever to wear the white cloak."
Jaime also says Rolland Darklyn was the next youngest KG after him.
"Yet both men rose to command the Kingsguard. Their tales are in the book. **Rolland Darklyn is in here too. The youngest man ever to serve in the Kingsguard, until me.** He was given his cloak on a battlefield and died within an hour of donning it."
I see on the wiki and in many threads that people say that Rolland was 17, but there's zero evidence of this as far as I can tell as it's never mentioned anywhere. All we know is that he was older than Jaime. However, the next remarked upon young age for KG we get are for Loras and Aemon, who actually indeed definitely are 17.
With the Red Keep so crowded, Tyrion could not hope to go unnoticed. Ser Balon Swann stood guard on the door, and Ser Loras Tyrell on the drawbridge. He stopped to exchange pleasantries with both of them. It was strange to see the Knight of Flowers all in white when before he had always been as colorful as a rainbow. "How old are you, Ser Loras?" Tyrion asked him.
"Seventeen, my lord."
Seventeen, and beautiful, and already a legend. Half the girls in the Seven Kingdoms want to bed him, and all the boys want to be him. "If you will pardon my asking, ser—why would anyone choose to join the Kingsguard at seventeen?"
"Prince Aemon the Dragonknight took his vows at seventeen," Ser Loras said, "and your brother Jaime was younger still."
So if the youngest KG go Jaime (15), Rolland (unknown), Loras/Aemon (17), then Arthur has to have been at least 17 when he joined the KG. So what we get for Arthur’s age is
283 - 276 (Lannisport) + 17 (Arthur's minimum age to be a KG) = 24.
Arthur had to be at least 24 years old in 283. The thing is however is that we further information to make Arthur even older. From Rhaegar’s entry in the app:
Rhaegar had many friends, such as Lord Jon Connington and his former squires Ser Myles Mooton and Ser Richard Lonmouth, but his oldest and dearest friend was Ser Arthur Dayne. The prince was a melancholy man by nature, however, and would at times sojourn in the ruins of Summerhall to sing sad songs of dead kings and shed tears on his famous silver-stringed harp.
We’re told that Arthur is Rhaegar’s oldest friend. Given that Aerys hates the Dornish, I don’t see much reason for Rhaegar and Arthur to have been friends prior to Arthur’s own investiture into the Kingsguard as I don’t exactly see Aerys stocking his court with a random Dornishmen. A super deadly Kingsguard who happens to be Dornish is another thing entirely than just letting some random deadly Dornishman stay at your court when he’s not sworn to you like the KG would be. So Rhaegar’s friendship with Arthur IMO begins with Arthur’s own investiture.
As Rhaegar’s oldest friend, he’s an older friend than Jon Connington. Who we’re told squired together with Rhaegar.
"Well, I saw him twice or thrice, but I was only ten when Robert killed him, and mine own sire had me hidden underneath a rock. No, I cannot claim I knew Prince Rhaegar. Not as your false father did. Lord Connington was the prince's dearest friend, was he not?"
Young Griff pushed a lock of blue hair out of his eyes. "They were squires together at King's Landing."
So we know that Jon Connington’s friendship began when he was Rhaegar’s fellow squire. Now squiredoms generally go from any age between 8 and 16 (though there are many older squires), it all just depends on how skilled you are, how well you progress, etc. For the sake of simplicity, let’s just say that Rhaegar is 12 at this time when he meets Jon seeing as that’s halfway between 8 and 16.
Now with Rhaegar being 12 when he first meets Jon, and Arthur having had to have been his friend earlier than this, it’s easy to update Arthur’s previously reasoned out age of 24, given that we’re told that Rhaegar is 17 in 276, the year that we’d already previously established that Arthur’s a KG in by at the very least seeing as he wins the tournament as a KG. It’s a 5 year difference between 12 and 17 which gives us
17 (Rhaegar’s age at Lannisport) – 12 (Rhaegar’s age when he meets Jon) + 24 (Arthur’s previous worked out age) = 29 years old
Therefore Arthur is roughly a minimum of 29 years old in 283, making his birth year of 254AC.
Plus then you can also imagine that Rhaegar, who's born in 259, would gravitate to the KG who happens to be probably the closest to his age.
Your lordship lost a son at the Red Wedding. I lost four upon the Blackwater. And why? Because the Lannisters stole the throne. Go to King’s Landing and look on Tommen with your own eyes, if you doubt me. A blind man could see it. What does Stannis offer you? Vengeance. Vengeance for my sons and yours, for your husbands and your fathers and your brothers. Vengeance for your murdered lord, your murdered king, your butchered princes. Vengeance!
There, seated on his throne amongst hundreds of notables in the shadow of Casterly Rock, the king cheered lustily as his son Prince Rhaegar, newly knighted, unhorsed both Tygett and Gerion Lannister, and even overcame the gallant Ser Barristan Selmy, before falling in the champion's tilt to the renowned Kingsguard knight Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning.
Excellent detail as always. I suppose what I'm wondering about is this part above from the world book.
How do we know Maester Yandel meant that Arthur was already a renowned Kingsguard Knight at the time of his victory. What if this victory was cited as one of the reasons he found renown?
Know what I mean? What if Arthur was tapped for the KG sometime after the tourney?
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
How do we know Maester Yandel meant that Arthur was already a renowned Kingsguard Knight at the time of his victory. What if this victory was cited as one of the reasons he found renown?
Well we're also told that this tournament was made up of jousters from the Westerlands
Seventeen and new to knighthood, Rhaegar Targaryen had worn black plate over golden ringmail when he cantered onto the lists. Long streamers of red and gold and orange silk had floated behind his helm, like flames. Two of her uncles fell before his lance, along with a dozen of her father's finest jousters, the flower of the west. By night the prince played his silver harp and made her weep. When she had been presented to him, Cersei had almost drowned in the depths of his sad purple eyes. He has been wounded, she recalled thinking, but I will mend his hurt when we are wed. Next to Rhaegar, even her beautiful Jaime had seemed no more than a callow boy. The prince is going to be my husband, she had thought, giddy with excitement, and when the old king dies I'll be the queen. Her aunt had confided that truth to her before the tourney. "You must be especially beautiful," Lady Genna told her, fussing with her dress, "for at the final feast it shall be announced that you and Prince Rhaegar are betrothed."
And the only jousters that we know of who don't fit this are Rhaegar, Barristan, and Arthur. Rhaegar's Aerys' son so he's attending because Aerys is there, and Barristan is attending because Aerys is there and Barristan's definitely a KG and has been for 16 years by this point. Which only leaves Arthur, this Dornish man, to be explained at this westernlands tourney. If he were there because he's a KG following Aerys and Rhaegar there, then this can explain that as otherwise he's the only person who doesn't fit.
So I would say that Yandel's accurately reporting things here by saying that Arthur was already a KG knight when he won the Lannisport tourney of 276.
Your lordship lost a son at the Red Wedding. I lost four upon the Blackwater. And why? Because the Lannisters stole the throne. Go to King’s Landing and look on Tommen with your own eyes, if you doubt me. A blind man could see it. What does Stannis offer you? Vengeance. Vengeance for my sons and yours, for your husbands and your fathers and your brothers. Vengeance for your murdered lord, your murdered king, your butchered princes. Vengeance!
How do we know Maester Yandel meant that Arthur was already a renowned Kingsguard Knight at the time of his victory. What if this victory was cited as one of the reasons he found renown?
Well we're also told that this tournament was made up of jousters from the Westerlands
Seventeen and new to knighthood, Rhaegar Targaryen had worn black plate over golden ringmail when he cantered onto the lists. Long streamers of red and gold and orange silk had floated behind his helm, like flames. Two of her uncles fell before his lance, along with a dozen of her father's finest jousters, the flower of the west. By night the prince played his silver harp and made her weep. When she had been presented to him, Cersei had almost drowned in the depths of his sad purple eyes. He has been wounded, she recalled thinking, but I will mend his hurt when we are wed. Next to Rhaegar, even her beautiful Jaime had seemed no more than a callow boy. The prince is going to be my husband, she had thought, giddy with excitement, and when the old king dies I'll be the queen. Her aunt had confided that truth to her before the tourney. "You must be especially beautiful," Lady Genna told her, fussing with her dress, "for at the final feast it shall be announced that you and Prince Rhaegar are betrothed."
And the only jousters that we know of who don't fit this are Rhaegar, Barristan, and Arthur. Rhaegar's Aerys' son so he's attending because Aerys is there, and Barristan is attending because Aerys is there and Barristan's definitely a KG and has been for 16 years by this point. Which only leaves Arthur, this Dornish man, to be explained at this westernlands tourney. If he were there because he's a KG following Aerys and Rhaegar there, then this can explain that as otherwise he's the only person who doesn't fit.
So I would say that Yandel's accurately reporting things here by saying that Arthur was already a KG knight when he won the Lannisport tourney of 276.
Makes sense, just parsing the evidence.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
markg171, the westeros wiki would agree with your assessment.
Arthur Dayne was a member of the Kingsguard in 276 AC.[13] At the age of fifteen, Jaime Lannister was the youngest to join the Kingsguard ever,[53][54] indicating Arthur was at least sixteen years old when he joined the Kingsguard. As 276 AC is the year of the first mention of Arthur being a Kingsguard knight, he was at least sixteen years old in 276 AC, though possibly older. This means that Arthur Dayne was born in 260 AC the latest.
Only thing to consider is the Rhaegar's "oldest friend." Is the the physically oldest? Or the one who has known Rhaegar the longest?
Darkstar will be the next Vulture King.
Craster has 19 daughters and there are 19 castles on the Wall, coincidence I think not!
markg171, the westeros wiki would agree with your assessment.
Arthur Dayne was a member of the Kingsguard in 276 AC.[13] At the age of fifteen, Jaime Lannister was the youngest to join the Kingsguard ever,[53][54] indicating Arthur was at least sixteen years old when he joined the Kingsguard. As 276 AC is the year of the first mention of Arthur being a Kingsguard knight, he was at least sixteen years old in 276 AC, though possibly older. This means that Arthur Dayne was born in 260 AC the latest.
Only thing to consider is the Rhaegar's "oldest friend." Is the the physically oldest? Or the one who has known Rhaegar the longest?
The close friendship with Rhaegar makes me think they should be fairly close in age.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
The close friendship with Rhaegar makes me think they should be fairly close in age.
Well no matter what at the very least you should get that he's born in 259 based on who the youngest KG members were said to be. Which would put him as the exact same age as Rhaegar
Your lordship lost a son at the Red Wedding. I lost four upon the Blackwater. And why? Because the Lannisters stole the throne. Go to King’s Landing and look on Tommen with your own eyes, if you doubt me. A blind man could see it. What does Stannis offer you? Vengeance. Vengeance for my sons and yours, for your husbands and your fathers and your brothers. Vengeance for your murdered lord, your murdered king, your butchered princes. Vengeance!
but other than a minimum, how do you narrow down the birth year for Arthur?
Well I suppose it does kind of work out that it's just a minimum and not his actual only possible date of birth but the reasoning is as follows
We know that Arthur's in the KG by at least by 276 given that he wins the Lannisport tourney then as a KG
Later that same year, Lord Tywin Lannister, perhaps unwisely, held a great tournament at Lannisport in honor of Viserys's birth. Mayhaps it was meant to be a gesture toward reconciliation. There the wealth and power of House Lannister was displayed for all the realm to see. King Aerys at first refused to attend, then relented, but the queen and her new son were kept under confinement back at King's Landing. There, seated on his throne amongst hundreds of notables in the shadow of Casterly Rock, the king cheered lustily as his son Prince Rhaegar, newly knighted, unhorsed both Tygett and Gerion Lannister, and even overcame the gallant Ser Barristan Selmy, before falling in the champion's tilt to the renowned Kingsguard knight Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning.
And we know that at 15 Jaime is the youngest KG ever.
Jaime reached for the flagon to refill his cup. "So many vows . . . they make you swear and swear. Defend the king. Obey the king. Keep his secrets. Do his bidding. Your life for his. But obey your father. Love your sister. Protect the innocent. Defend the weak. Respect the gods. Obey the laws. It's too much. No matter what you do, you're forsaking one vow or the other." He took a healthy swallow of wine and closed his eyes for an instant, leaning his head back against the patch of nitre on the wall. "I was the youngest man ever to wear the white cloak."
Jaime also says Rolland Darklyn was the next youngest KG after him.
"Yet both men rose to command the Kingsguard. Their tales are in the book. **Rolland Darklyn is in here too. The youngest man ever to serve in the Kingsguard, until me.** He was given his cloak on a battlefield and died within an hour of donning it."
I see on the wiki and in many threads that people say that Rolland was 17, but there's zero evidence of this as far as I can tell as it's never mentioned anywhere. All we know is that he was older than Jaime. However, the next remarked upon young age for KG we get are for Loras and Aemon, who actually indeed definitely are 17.
With the Red Keep so crowded, Tyrion could not hope to go unnoticed. Ser Balon Swann stood guard on the door, and Ser Loras Tyrell on the drawbridge. He stopped to exchange pleasantries with both of them. It was strange to see the Knight of Flowers all in white when before he had always been as colorful as a rainbow. "How old are you, Ser Loras?" Tyrion asked him.
"Seventeen, my lord."
Seventeen, and beautiful, and already a legend. Half the girls in the Seven Kingdoms want to bed him, and all the boys want to be him. "If you will pardon my asking, ser—why would anyone choose to join the Kingsguard at seventeen?"
"Prince Aemon the Dragonknight took his vows at seventeen," Ser Loras said, "and your brother Jaime was younger still."
So if the youngest KG go Jaime (15), Rolland (unknown), Loras/Aemon (17), then Arthur has to have been at least 17 when he joined the KG. So what we get for Arthur’s age is
283 - 276 (Lannisport) + 17 (Arthur's minimum age to be a KG) = 24.
Arthur had to be at least 24 years old in 283. The thing is however is that we further information to make Arthur even older. From Rhaegar’s entry in the app:
Rhaegar had many friends, such as Lord Jon Connington and his former squires Ser Myles Mooton and Ser Richard Lonmouth, but his oldest and dearest friend was Ser Arthur Dayne. The prince was a melancholy man by nature, however, and would at times sojourn in the ruins of Summerhall to sing sad songs of dead kings and shed tears on his famous silver-stringed harp.
We’re told that Arthur is Rhaegar’s oldest friend. Given that Aerys hates the Dornish, I don’t see much reason for Rhaegar and Arthur to have been friends prior to Arthur’s own investiture into the Kingsguard as I don’t exactly see Aerys stocking his court with a random Dornishmen. A super deadly Kingsguard who happens to be Dornish is another thing entirely than just letting some random deadly Dornishman stay at your court when he’s not sworn to you like the KG would be. So Rhaegar’s friendship with Arthur IMO begins with Arthur’s own investiture.
As Rhaegar’s oldest friend, he’s an older friend than Jon Connington. Who we’re told squired together with Rhaegar.
"Well, I saw him twice or thrice, but I was only ten when Robert killed him, and mine own sire had me hidden underneath a rock. No, I cannot claim I knew Prince Rhaegar. Not as your false father did. Lord Connington was the prince's dearest friend, was he not?"
Young Griff pushed a lock of blue hair out of his eyes. "They were squires together at King's Landing."
So we know that Jon Connington’s friendship began when he was Rhaegar’s fellow squire. Now squiredoms generally go from any age between 8 and 16 (though there are many older squires), it all just depends on how skilled you are, how well you progress, etc. For the sake of simplicity, let’s just say that Rhaegar is 12 at this time when he meets Jon seeing as that’s halfway between 8 and 16.
Now with Rhaegar being 12 when he first meets Jon, and Arthur having had to have been his friend earlier than this, it’s easy to update Arthur’s previously reasoned out age of 24, given that we’re told that Rhaegar is 17 in 276, the year that we’d already previously established that Arthur’s a KG in by at the very least seeing as he wins the tournament as a KG. It’s a 5 year difference between 12 and 17 which gives us
17 (Rhaegar’s age at Lannisport) – 12 (Rhaegar’s age when he meets Jon) + 24 (Arthur’s previous worked out age) = 29 years old
Therefore Arthur is roughly a minimum of 29 years old in 283, making his birth year of 254AC.
Plus then you can also imagine that Rhaegar, who's born in 259, would gravitate to the KG who happens to be probably the closest to his age.
You also have another input to consider: Elia's age. Elia we know was born in 256/257, and Elia and Arthur were friendly and grew up together IIRC, so Arthur has to be relatively close in age. So a 254 birth year actually makes a lot of sense in that case.
In any case, I think an argument could be made that Ser Arthur is roughly a mid 250s cohort relatively well, as you have here.
The close friendship with Rhaegar makes me think they should be fairly close in age.
Well no matter what at the very least you should get that he's born in 259 based on who the youngest KG members were said to be. Which would put him as the exact same age as Rhaegar
Yup. Just wanted to look at the bread crumbs critically, and I had a hunch you'd have some serious details on the subject. :::
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
I updated the timeline with data from the W, our discussions in this thread, and a few dates that have crept up in other threads (particularly Wraith's Dornish Plan thread), and have thus extended events back to around the conception of Brynden Rivers.
Gwindor, I'm tagging you too because I think it was you who brought up the possibility of Bloodraven breeding/arranging marriages.
markg171, I added the latest possible year for Arthur Dayne's birth, but I wasn't sure if there was any evidence to give us an earliest possible birth year...
Please critique and bring up inconsistencies and additions you may find!
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
Please critique and bring up inconsistencies and additions you may find!
I feel like Lyanna's birth date probably shouldn't actually be on there. It's based off the idea that we know she died when she was 16 (as Eddard and Cersei both say this), and therefore if you just go back 16 years from 283, then you get 266-267 for when she had to be born. Problem is that we don't actually know when Lyanna died. So saying she died in 283 is an arbitrary decision, when nothing in the books said she died that year.
Oh I mean sure, it seems like she died after the Siege of Storm's End, which itself ended in 283, given that Ned arrives at the TOJ and says he's already ended the Siege (let's not get into whether she was ever there at the TOJ though lol). But Eddard never once gave any other time frame for this event. He does not think back on how it's been 15 years in AGOT since that day, or 15 years since Lyanna died, or anything like that. Nobody does. They just say these people died, but never how long ago. The TOJ's date, and Lyanna's death date, are both unknown beyond that they seemingly occurred after the Siege.
And what's instead happened is that we have fans, who believe that Jon is Lyanna's son and that she died birthing him, who then took Jon's age of 15 years old in 298 to decide that the TOJ and Lyanna's death occurred in 283. Despite again, nothing actually indicating this. For all any of us know the TOJ and Lyanna died in 284. It's nowhere in the books that either event happened in 283. And with the Siege ending in the end of 283, it's indeed fairly likely that the TOJ fell into 284, even if you assume that Eddard went straight there from Storm's End, which again we're never told, as that's still a journey of like a month. If he meandered or didn't know to go straight there, then that's even more time that just keeps pushing things closer, or more into 284.
And this is all before we get into the various ideas that Lyanna had actually died before the war or stuff like that. Because again, no information is ever really given to us that can let us figure out when she died.
So Lyanna's birthdate of 266-267 only actually works if you're deciding it yourself as that year, likely using Jon's own birth year being that year or previous events that happened that year, instead of anything actually in the books which pinned the year of her 16th birthday occurring in 283 which is how her birth day should be figured out. Of which there isn't anything to do this as no one in the books, and GRRM himself, have never said when she died beyond that she happened to be 16 at the time.
Your lordship lost a son at the Red Wedding. I lost four upon the Blackwater. And why? Because the Lannisters stole the throne. Go to King’s Landing and look on Tommen with your own eyes, if you doubt me. A blind man could see it. What does Stannis offer you? Vengeance. Vengeance for my sons and yours, for your husbands and your fathers and your brothers. Vengeance for your murdered lord, your murdered king, your butchered princes. Vengeance!
Please critique and bring up inconsistencies and additions you may find!
I feel like Lyanna's birth date probably shouldn't actually be on there. It's based off the idea that we know she died when she was 16 (as Eddard and Cersei both say this), and therefore if you just go back 16 years from 283, then you get 266-267 for when she had to be born. Problem is that we don't actually know when Lyanna died. So saying she died in 283 is an arbitrary decision, when nothing in the books said she died that year.
Oh I mean sure, it seems like she died after the Siege of Storm's End which ended in 283 given that Ned arrives at the TOJ and says he's already ended the TOJ (let's not get into whether she was ever there here though lol). But Eddard never once gave any other time frame for this event. He does not think back on how it's been 15 years in AGOT since that day, or 15 years since Lyanna died, or anything like that. The TOJ's date, and Lyanna's date, are both unknown beyond that they occurred after the Siege.
And what's instead happened is that we have fans, who believe that Jon is Lyanna's son and that she died birthing him, who then took Jon's age of 15 years old in 298 to decide that the TOJ and Lyanna's death occurred in 283. Despite again, nothing actually indicating this. For all any of us know the TOJ and Lyanna died in 284. It's nowhere in the books that either event happened in 283. And with the Siege ending in the end of 283, it's indeed fairly likely that the TOJ fell into 284, even if you assume that Eddard went straight there from Storm's End, which again we're never told, as that's still a journey of like a month.
And this is all before we get into the various ideas that Lyanna had actually died before the war or stuff like that. Because again, no information is ever really given to us that can let us figure out when she died.
So Lyanna's birthdate of 266-267 only actually works if you're deciding it yourself as that year, likely using Jon's own birth year being that year, instead of anything actually in the books which pinned the year of her 16th birthday occurring in 283 of which there isn't any.
We know she died at 16. That's it.
Wonderful point.
We do know that Lyanna had been dead when Ned and Robert reconciled...might that offer any circumstantial data?
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
Post by whitewolfstark on Apr 14, 2016 17:26:23 GMT
I've posted this elsewhere, but for the sake of helping to think of certain years with certain people's birth years so you can begin to think of different people growing up at a certain time and having the memories of certain events from specific perspectives (someone who was a kid during the Dance of the Dragons would have a very different viewpoint than a person who's middle aged during that self-same event, so on and so forth, and thus keeping in mind that the people who were kids in one event, are the elderly in another event, and how those events can possibly influence and shape their worldviews across their lifetimes.
Generations & Turnings in Westerosi History (adhering to the S&H Generational Theory guidelines)
Childhood
Young Adulthood
Mid-Life
Elderhood
Advanced Elderhood
Turning
Important Events
(0 - 16)
(16 - 35)
(35 - 55)
(55 - 75)
(75 & Older)
Ironborn Awakening (53 - 33)*
Harren the Black consolidates his Riverlands holdings, then envisions & begins building Harrenhal
Iron Forged (56 - 37)
??? 1
??? 2
??? 3
??? 4
Harrenhal Unraveling (33 - 13)*
Harren the Black continues building Harrenhal to lavish proportions
Conquest (36 - 18)
Iron Forged (56 - 37)
??? 1
??? 2
??? 3
Conquest Crisis (13 BC - 13 AC)
Putting an end to Volantene expansion, The Conquest, Total warfare in Dorne
Landing (17 BC - 9 AC)
Conquest (36 - 18)
Iron Forged (56 - 37)
??? 1
??? 2
Aegonfort High (13 - 33)
Peace in Westeros, King's Landing grows and develops, Aegon's last procession
Millitant (8 - 26)
Landing (17 BC - 9 AC)
Conquest (36 - 18)
Iron Forged (56 - 37)
??? 1
Faith Millitant Awakening (33 - 48)
Rebels appear after Aegon's death (Vulture King, King Lodos, Harren the Red, Jonos Arryn, etc.), Ironborn expell the Faith, Maegor Scandal, Faith Millitant Uprising
Conciliation (27 - 42)
Millitant (8 - 26)
Landing (17 BC - 9 AC)
Conquest (36 - 18)
Iron Forged (56 - 37)
Conciliator Unraveling (48 - 64)*
Jaehaerys reconciles the Faith and House Targaryen
Sea Snake (43 - 58)
Conciliation (27 - 42)
Millitant (8 - 26)
Landing (17 BC - 9 AC)
Conquest (36 - 18)
Reform Crisis (64 - 80)*
A common law is established in the realms for all from the Wall to the Red Mountains to follow, very mild Crisis spent mostly on reform
Reform (59 - 74)
Sea Snake (43 - 58)
Conciliation (27 - 42)
Millitant (8 - 26)
Landing (17 BC - 9 AC)
Kingsroad High (80 - 94)*
Construction of the Kingsroad
Rogue (75 - 90)
Reform (59 - 74)
Sea Snake (43 - 58)
Conciliation (27 - 42)
Millitant (8 - 26)
Rogue Awakening (94 - 110)
Great Tourney of 98, First Great Council, Daemon envisions a "Kingdom of the Stepstones"
Quarrel (91 - 108)
Rogue (75 - 90)
Reform (59 - 74)
Sea Snake (43 - 58)
Conciliation (27 - 42)
Green Unraveling (110 - 129)
Stepstones War, Great Tourney of 111, Rise of the Greens, Red Spring, Death of Viserys I
Green (109 - 126)
Quarrel (91 - 108)
Rogue (75 - 90)
Reform (59 - 74)
Sea Snake (43 - 58)
Dance of the Dragons Crisis (129 - 154)
Dance of the Dragons, Regency of Aegon III, Rebellions, Death of the Last Dragon
Dance (127 - 153)
Green (109 - 126)
Quarrel (91 - 108)
Rogue (75 - 90)
Reform (59 - 74)
Young Dragon High (154 - 174)
Daeron I's Conquest of Dorne, Baelor's Great Sept Construction, Viserys II's fiscal reforms
Great Bastards (154 - 173)
Dance (127 - 153)
Green (109 - 126)
Quarrel (91 - 108)
Rogue (75 - 90)
Dornish Awakening (174 - 196)
Aegon IV's failed attempt to invade Dorne, Summerhall is built, Daeron II's marriage with Dorne, Dornish inclusion, Skagosi Rebellion, Daemon Blackfyre gathers rebels who dislike Daeron's inclusion of the Dornish, First Blackfyre Rebellion
Blackfyre (174 - 198)
Great Bastards (154 - 173)
Dance (127 - 153)
Green (109 - 126)
Quarrel (91 - 108)
Sickness Unraveling (196 - 221)
The lavish Tourney of Ashford, Spring Sickness, Second Blackfyre Rebellion at Whitewalls Tourney, Aerys I's unpopular reign, Dagon Greyjoy's Raiding, Bloodraven being critiqued as a demonic puppetmaster, Third Blackfyre Rebellion
Sickness (199 - 219)
Blackfyre (174 - 198)
Great Bastards (154 - 173)
Dance (127 - 153)
Green (109 - 126)
Dragonless Crisis (221 - 241)
Wildling Invasion, Battle at Long Lake, Peake Uprising, Great Council of 233, Second Red Spring, Fourth Blackfyre Rebellion, Betrothal Scandals, Aegon V faces inabilities to pass reforms due to lacking dragons in his opinion and far too conservative and rebellious lords
Betrothed (220 - 239)
Sickness (199 - 219)
Blackfyre (174 - 198)
Great Bastards (154 - 173)
Dance (127 - 153)
Ninepenny Recovery (241 - 261)
Minor rebellion of The Rat, the Hawk and the Pig; Tragedy of Summerhall, War of the Ninepenny Kings, End of the Male Blackfyre line
Mad (240 - 260)
Betrothed (220 - 239)
Sickness (199 - 219)
Blackfyre (174 - 198)
Great Bastards (154 - 173)
Aeryan Awakening (261 - 281)
Aerys II takes the throne with a high opinion and a new forged unity with Tywin and Steffan; has many visions for the Kingdom which all go to waste; Aerys II slowly goes mad; Duskendale; Steffan dies; Tourney of Harrenhal, Tywin breaks with Aerys when Jaime takes the white
Rebellion (261 - 279)
Mad (240 - 260)
Betrothed (220 - 239)
Sickness (199 - 219)
Blackfyre (174 - 198)
Baratheon Unraveling (281 - 298)
Abduction of Lyanna Stark, Robert's Rebellion, Deposition of House Targaryen, Tywin gives support to Robert, Greyjoy Rebellion, Long Summer, Death of Robert
Long Summer (280 - 296)
Rebellion (261 - 279)
Mad (240 - 260)
Betrothed (220 - 239)
Sickness (199 - 219)
Second Long Night Crisis (298 - 3??)
Beheading of Ned Stark, War of the Five Kings, Wildling Attack on the Wall, Others noted as reappearing in Westeros, Birth of Dragons to Daenerys Targaryen abroad
Long Winter (297 - 3??)
Long Summer (280 - 296)
Rebellion (261 - 279)
Mad (240 - 260)
Betrothed (220 - 239)
* = Estimated or not much is known about this period in any great detail beyond one or two tell-tale signs
I'll post a follow post of notable members of generations.
markg171, voice, in any of the novels, are there any logical clues that give us the age difference between Brandon, Ned, BenJen, and/or Lyanna? I'm guessing if it was there, one of you would have noticed. Or do we have a rough estimation? With say a variance of 3 yrs? Just curious, because she's younger than Ned, but older than Benjen, right?
“Never forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armour yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you.” ― George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones