Fiery Greenseers and the Dark Horned God

Well, my thinking is that the "blood of the dragon people" might have been created by this transformation to fire magic. The dragonbond is the greenseer bond, but permanently altered through some horrible blood magic, most likely. In this case, we might not see a greenseer transform to fire, but rather we might view Dany as the result of this lineage. I definitely think Dany is becoming a sorcerer, and by the end, I see her inheriting even more Valyrian magics, using the glass candles, probably blowing that dragonhorn, etc. 

The one person who is doing a physical fire transformation is Melisandre. I personally find the "Bloodraven + Shiera = Mel" theory from Radio Westeros to be highly plausible, if not likely, which means that Mel has exactly half as much greenseer blood as her daddy, plus plenty of dragon blood from both parents. It's possible dragon blood is needed to do any fire transformation akin to what Mel is doing, though that is just speculation. Dragon blood seems to carry some level of fire tolerance, so maybe that's a part of it. 

Its it's possible we won't see any fiery greenseers. It could be they are the ones who fucked us up, and live only in the past. 

I also wonder about Coldhands. Fire burns out, you know? When it is gone, the things which burned are black and cold. Like an old dead tree struck by lighting. I have to wonder if Coldhands used to be animated by fire, or if fire magic is necessary to creating an undead greenseer / skinchanger. I this case Jon might be our man. 

I have to admit I think mostly about the past before translating to the future. Do you think we will actually meet the frozen greenseers / greenseer? I don't know that we have to to detect his presence. 

I'm not sure, really. We are pretty far into the realm of the speculative here, so I can't really have anything more than an educated guess. But here goes:

I suspect that any greenseer could transform into ice or fire. I think the Nights Queen was probably a close parallel to Melisandre. I suspect that Melisandre has qualities to her bloodline which enable her fire transformation. This is one of several reasons I buy the BR + Shierra = Mel theory. It kind of makes sense to me that some of Mel's abilities might come from her hypothetical Blackwood blood - and I thought all of that before I ever started seeing these fiery greenseers.

As I was saying above, I think the "blood of the dragon" is a real thing, the result of dark sorcery by Azor Ahai / the Bloodstone Emperor. It seems possible that having this dragon blood might be the thing enabling a living fire transformation such as Mel is doing (I don't think she has ever died like Beric). Or it could just be the result of the one big transformation in the past, a group of greenseers who transformed to fiery greenseers or whatever.

Prior to ever seeing these fire seers, I have read theories comparing the dragonbond and skinchanger bond, Lord Martin has one, and I ran into your ideas about an icy greenseer at some point by arguing something similar wth Voice, and he mentioned your ideas. All of this has always made sense to me. I think that fire magic has been largely corrupted by the hypothetical destruction of the fire moon, which is reflected in the Shadow by Asshai, which I believe should be a pure fire source, a heart of summer, etc. I think the greasy black stone is moon meteor stone, and I think the "black stone that fell from the sky" which the Bloodstone Emperor is the same. These blck meteors seem associated with necromancy, magical toxicity, etc etc. I think these black meteors were a pet of the big fire transformation that Azor Ahai accomplished. So we are talking a greenseer turned to fire, but also likely undead in some fashion, strongly associated with shadow, etc. I see Lightbringer, AA, the Valyrian Steel, the black dragons, the "blood of the dragon" etc as all being of the same ilk - shadow fire. Black fire. Twisted, corrupt fire. Sorry for going on but that is all an integral part of the theory.

So just to reiterate, I tend to think any greenseer plus the right dark magic and perhaps some other circumstances could create new blood of the dragon or become a fiery hellish greenseer. The Valyrians are probably all the result of one such experiment. The Daynes I believe to be descending from the common ancestor, but before the corruption. The Amethyst Empress, if you will.

Another thing I think is related is the fact that the wights always burn like old parchment, old dry wood, etc, but I am not sure how.

Right on wolfmaid7. The best version of the that one is here:

lucifermeanslightbringer.wordpress.com/2015/06/20/the-bloodstone-compendium/

I haven't read the whole OP yet, will do now, but it will be tough for me to get on board with Greenseers using fire magic, because I have a bubbling theory that their domain is Ice magic. I've been trying to understand the Reeds' oath (Earth and Water, Bronze and Iron, Ice and Fire) in terms of different warring factions. I feel like Earth and Water (The Children, or anything non-man) is using Ice magic against Bronze and Iron (Man), who in turn have picked up Fire magic.

Anyway, wanted to get that off my chest as it were. Now to read and see if you can convince me otherwise (good chance of that!)

I think important to realize that at the core with the Greenseers what we are looking at are a special class of Skinchangers. So they can utilize any element or be used by any elemental that covers them.So "green" seer is just one label, and one used by the COTF.

Dany has prophetic dreams and can meld her spirit with a dragon.Her journey directly parallels Bran.Jon is on that path as well with more colder.

So if we dont get caught up with the labels and look at the characteristic exhibited we will
See they are all blank slates being snagged by
Those that have a reverence or represent fone particular element.

First, for my serious post, I am going to direct you to a fictional being named Rintrah - this is a character from William Blake's mythology who appears in the poem "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell" as the personification of "revolutionary wrath". Rintrah rages against injustice, "roars & shakes his fires in the burden'd air." The artistic plates accompanying Blake's poetry depicts Rintrah surrounded by flames, thought to represent the fire of his anger at trespass and inequity.

"The Marriage of Heaven and Hell" is actually pretty fascinating - it is an exercise in the necessary coexistence of contraries of the world, even in heaven and hell.



Reflected in:

"“Up and down," Meera would sigh sometimes as they walked, "then down and up. Then up and down again. I hate these stupid mountains of yours, Prince Bran."
"Yesterday you said you loved them."
"Oh, I do. My lord father told me about mountains, but I never saw one till now. I love them more than I can say."
Bran made a face at her. "But you just said you hated them."
"Why can't it be both?" Meera reached up to pinch his nose.
"Because they're different," he insisted. "Like night and day, or ice and fire."
"If ice can burn," said Jojen in his solemn voice, "then love and hate can mate. Mountain or marsh, it makes no matter. The land is one."

Another interesting little excerpt from the poem:

I was in a Printing house in Hell & saw the method in which knowledge is transmitted from generation to generation.
In the first chamber was a Dragon-Man, clearing away the rubbish from a cave's mouth; within, a number of Dragons were hollowing the cave.
In the second chamber was a Viper folding round the rock & the cave, and others adorning it with gold silver and precious stones.
In the third chamber was an Eagle with wings and feathers of air: he caused the inside of the cave to be infinite, around were numbers of Eagle like men, who built palaces in the immense cliffs.
In the fourth chamber were Lions of flaming fire raging around & melting the metals into living fluids.
In the fifth chamber were Unnam'd forms, which cast the metals into the expanse.
There they were reciev'd by Men who occupied the sixth chamber, and took the forms of books & were arranged in libraries.




Now, for my shits and giggles post that ties to the "Marvel-ous" essay I posted earlier, I will direct you to another Rintrah, a "dark wizard" character based off of the one above and serving similar purpose, but, err, "modified" somewhat.





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