EDIT: Yeah, it´s there, even if a bit chopped. Plus a truckload of other gold. Voice, check those NAB history links. There´s mentioning of other trinkets he tried to pimp over the years (Miniatures. Fucking miniatures...)
And in general: This stuff is a decade old. It is identical to the shit he posts today...
Which Wild Card editions did he actually submit stories and which ones have he not. I remember someone mentioning that people were getting upset because he doesn't write stories for Wild Cards anymore.
I can add asterisks for the WCs (water closets! Ha!) in which he actually wrote stories... but to hear him tell it, he adds language here and there in all of them...
Lol
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
This is hilarious, but I wanted to stick to WC/ASOIAF publications. There are a few other works he slipped in between as well. Mayhaps I should expand the list though, as some of the others are pretty funny.
Ever see the Nightflyers movie? LOL
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
EDIT: Yeah, it´s there, even if a bit chopped. Plus a truckload of other gold. Voice, check those NAB history links. There´s mentioning of other trinkets he tried to pimp over the years (Miniatures. Fucking miniatures...)
And in general: This stuff is a decade old. It is identical to the shit he posts today...
This one really proves your point:
March 17th, 2007
Spinoffs, Subrights, Secrets
One of the cool things about the success of A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE is that it has given birth to all sorts of fun spinoffs — card games, board games, t-shirts, miniatures, maybe even a television series. Other stuff, too. But I can’t talk about that.
I mean, the answer is right there in the title! That's all he cares about. Renting/leasing/subletting each word he's ever typed until he can squeeze every last drop of money out of it. The guy may not be a quick writer, but he sure knows how to leverage his material.
The proof is in the pudding. Ever since he's learned how to leverage his material, without writing, he hasn't written very much. He's now the Donald Trump of authors. A bloated brand, paid to slap his name on virtually any product... from water logged RPGs, to big budget shows for HBO.
GRRM is not our bitch. "GRRM" is GRRM's own bitch! LOL
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
Words Are (Maybe Preventing) Wind Ever wondered how many non–‘The Winds of Winter’ words George R. R. Martin has written during the seemingly interminable wait for Book 6? We found out.
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“so.. could you please write faster?” — George R. R. Martin reader, June 2013 “No, not really.” — George R. R. Martin “Why am I writing this damned post??? I need to get to WORK! (Current mood: stressed)” — George R. R. Martin, June 2011 Last week, George R. R. Martin caused a stir among A Song of Ice and Fire fandom’s watchers on the Wall when he offered a desultory status update on The Winds of Winter, the long-awaited sixth book in his planned seven-book series. Questioned about the book by a reader of his LiveJournal site, Not A Blog, way back on June 1, 2011, Martin had committed to being noncommittal, commenting, “I have given up making predictions about such things. It only gets me in trouble.” Yet last Tuesday, in another comment at the same site, he cracked, producing a prediction of sorts. “Not done yet, but I’ve made progress,” Martin wrote. “But not as much as I hoped a year ago, when I thought to be done by now. I think it will be out this year. (But hey, I thought the same thing last year).” It wasn’t the most inspiring message, but it rekindled anticipation among longtime readers who’ve already watched with dismay as Martin’s epic work was leapfrogged (and in some instances, spoiled) by the HBO series it spawned. The second and third books of Martin’s brainchild came out within a little more than four years of the first, but his pace has slowed considerably as the plot has grown increasingly complex. Book 4 took more than five years to arrive, and Book 5, A Dance With Dragons (which came out in July 2011), required close to six. The wait for The Winds of Winter will set a new series record on April 6. Your New ‘Game of Thrones’ Is Coming
It’s time to embrace ‘The Kingkiller Chronicle,’ Lin-Manuel Miranda’s new project theringer.com Martin doesn’t hold back from broadcasting the many ways in which he spends time not writing The Winds of Winter, which only makes his readers antsier. As he commented in 2015, “I have always been a slow writer. I have always done book tours, attended a half dozen [science fiction conventions] each year, watched NFL games in the fall, travelled for business and pleasure. I have always had more than one project going at any one time: novels, short stories, anthologies, Wild Cards, what have you. Expecting me to drop all that seems entirely unreasonable to me.” It seems pretty reasonable to some of his readers, who greet any news of Martin’s non–Winds of Winter activities with rueful resignation (at best). Impatient fans could forgive the glamorous distractions that threaten to sidetrack every celebrity. But does Martin have to spend so much time blogging about the Giants, the Jets, and “Evil Little Bill” Belichick? Does he have to directly respond to readers who visit his site to ask him “Is Game of Thrones really that good?”; or to see whether he’ll look at a relative’s manuscript; or to offer to give him a book he edited himself, in case he “missed out on a copy”; or to verify whether it was Martin they saw sitting at another table at brunch. (Are there that many people who look like this?) Does he personally have to arrange individual $9.99 sales of autographed books? And most galling of all: Does he have to watch The Big Bang Theory? At least he’s given up video games and doesn’t play fantasy football.
Martin has multiple personal assistants, whom he calls “minions,” but he still cops to an “excess of optimism about how much work [he] can actually get done in a certain period of time,” which leads to a tendency to “take on more than [he] can easily chew.” As he put it in 2012, “there’s just too damn much.” With no Winds of Winter to take up their time, fans have been free to fret about whether the stout 68-year-old will live long enough to finish (“fuck you,” he says in response), to question whether he has any pages, or to calculate how many readers have already died during the two-decade slog to Book 6. Others have turned their statistical talents to modeling The Winds of Winter’s most likely ETA. But one exercise has so far escaped Martin scholars: quantifying fans’ frustration by measuring the effort Martin has expended on other projects while we’ve been waiting for urgent word from Westeros (and while Martin, perhaps, has had trouble resolving his massive story). Excluding sample chapters of The Winds of Winter, some of which were written before A Dance With Dragons was done, how many words has Martin published, on any topic, since he announced the fifth book’s completion in April 2011? To find out, I did a deep dive on any recent written work I could find that was bigger than a book blurb, including Martin’s LiveJournal posts and comments, his introductions to the anthologies he’s edited, his own novella- or novelette-length contributions to two of those collections, the three Game of Thrones scripts he completed during this period, and a few odds and ends. The cumulative word count from his 1,100-plus posts came from a scraper written by Ruhee Dewji, and the word count from comments came from hours of exciting searching, copying, and pasting by me and a few Ringer interns. For all other sources, I pasted text from digital copies into a web-based word counter. Most of these words differ dramatically from A Song of Ice and Fire in both content and tone, but as Martin himself asserted in a 2015 comment, “When you write something down and put it on the internet, it counts as ‘writing.’”
All told, Martin has published more than half a million words since he slew his last big book. For reference, the longest installment of the series so far, 2000’s A Storm of Swords, ran 424,000 words, which means that Martin has produced much more than one giant book’s worth of prose for public consumption in addition to whatever portion of Winds of Winter he’s hoarding. One caveat: The scraper couldn’t distinguish between Martin’s words and quotes he copied and pasted, so it may have inflated his totals for certain posts in which he reproduced, say, a publisher’s or merchandiser’s description of a forthcoming product. In every other respect, though, my word-count quest could only have underrated his output. In certain posts with no punctuation between paragraphs, the scraper probably missed a few words, and for the HBO episodes, I relied on online transcripts that reproduced the dialogue but omitted most of the other trappings of teleplays. Most significant, I took the strictest possible approach to assessing Martin’s work in The World of Ice & Fire, a 2014 “world book” that serves as a companion to the series. Martin churned out hundreds of thousands of words of Westeros history while working on the book, some of which were repurposed in other publications I counted. But the vast majority are unpublished and ticketed for Fire and Blood (colloquially called the GRRMarillion), a history of House Targaryen that Martin plans to complete if and when The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring are finally behind him. Although that work informed the condensed and rewritten text that makes up much of The World of Ice & Fire, my count included only the smaller sections that Martin’s coauthors have claimed came directly from him. Martin wrote all of these words, plus many more we haven’t seen, while attending an endless succession of far-flung conventions, signings, meetings, and awards ceremonies; fielding a deluge of fan mail (which he still tries to read and sometimes responds to); and doing countless interviews to hawk his creations. Considering the constant demands on his time — only some of them self-imposed — Martin hasn’t actually slumped in the past several years. If anything, he’s been extraordinarily productive. Just not in the way we all want.
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
A Song of Ice And Fire – George R. R. Martin A Game of Thrones: 295k A Clash of kings: 322k A Storm of Swords: 419k A Feast for Crows: 298k A Dance with Dragons: 415k Total: 1M 749k
A Song of Ice And Fire - George R. R. Martin A Game of Thrones: 284k A Clash of kings: 326k A Storm of Swords: 404k A Feast for Crows: 300k Total: 1M 314k ≈ 1,314,000 + 422,000 (ADwD from loopingworld) ≈ 1,736,000. 1M 736k
“Never forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armour yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you.” ― George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones
The table of contents for this one: Caroline Spector "Bubbles and the Band Trip" Max Gladstone "The Secret Life of Rubberband" William F. Wu "Jade Blossom's Brew" Diana Rowland "Beats, Bugs, and Boys" Walton Simons "Is Nobody Going to San Antone?" Victor Milan "Dust and the Darkness" David Anthony Durham "Drop City"
Which one of these authors do you think will get their name in BIG FONT on the book cover?
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
24 Wild Cards VI: Ace in the Hole (2/28/2017 reissue)
25 Wild Cards VII: Dead Man's Hand (6/13/2017 reissue)
No doubt you were all waiting for this incredible news, and want to go preorder your copies as soon as possible! And yes, err, no... none of these publications are actually "new" in any sense of the word. LOL
For those of you who enjoy the annoying and cynical application of mathematics, let me catch you up on the numbers...
This marks the fifteenth unique publication from the asoiaf universe (not counting "special" re-prints of the others...which I still need to tally).
Of these fifteen, but nine actually contain original content.
ASOIAF: 9/15 of publications contain new material. 6/15 of publications contain recycled material.
Ok... so what is really interesting about the math is the timeline of it. hat 8/9ths (89%) of original ASOIAF material was released between 1996 and 2011.
Only 1/9th (11%) of original ASOIAF material was released after 2011.
Can you think of what changed in 2011? Here's a hint:
I highly reccomend letting this video play as you read this post. Perfect soundtrack. LOL
So that is a helluva big red flag that tells us much and more regarding the pace of GRRM's writing.
But, alas, that is not the only banner of red.
Not only has GRRM only managed to crank out a single original work of ice and fire since 2011, the single work isn't actually very original...
The solitary bit of new content GRRM has published since 2011 is The World of Ice and Fire (the "world book" for short). The world book can't really be called a novel. GRRM himself can't even bring himself to call it "canon."
While the world book contains some original content from the author, it contains a lot more old scraps and notes from the author. Even more alarming, it contains a mixture of both new and old content of very dubious origin: Elio and Linda's wiki and app.
So, since HBO's cash cow hit our screens, GRRM has not only not-produced any original works that can be called "canon," he also decided to allow his favorite fans to print their own fiction, and include it between the same pages as his own.
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In case you were wondering how your beloved Wild Cards have progressed, fear not! I have those updated numbers for you as well.
Wild Cards: 24/26 of publications contain new material. 2/26 of publications contain recycled material.
And since 2011? Oh sweet summer Aces and Jokers... only 3/26ths of original WC material has been published since 2011. But, GRRM is a generous man, and he does love to give his fans a reason to go to the bookstore. So since 2011 he has also reissued 3 non-original Wild Cards Books.
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(if the music has stopped, you might want to click 'replay' to fully appreciate the totals below)
1987-2011: 21 original Wild Cards publications 8 original ASOIAF publications 0 reissued Wild Cards publications 0 reissued ASOIAF publications
2011-2017: 3 original Wild Cards publications (Edited by GRRM) 1 original ASOIAF publication (that is not-canon) 3 reissued Wild Cards publications 5 reissued ASOIAF publications
Conclusion: There was a time when it meant something to see GRRM's name on the cover of a book, and that time was any year until 2011. LOL
"I can see it. You have more of the north in you than your brothers."
One consolation i see in all this is that at least since he is only recycling novel material, he 'should' have time left over to write 'some' new stuff. If he was writing new non-ASOIAF material, there would be absolutely no hope.
Alternatively, it could be an indication that he just does not have 'it' anymore. His brain may be too muddled to write (he is getting old); he can only blog, which is less taxing.
The upshot of all this is that we can all read other brilliant authors in the - extended - mean time.
"Arya did not dare take a bath, even though she smelled as bad as Yoren by now, all sour and stinky. Some of the creatures living in her clothes had come all the way from Flea Bottom with her; it didn’t seem right to drown them."
One consolation i see in all this is that at least since he is only recycling novel material, he 'should' have time left over to write 'some' new stuff.
One consolation i see in all this is that at least since he is only recycling novel material, he 'should' have time left over to write 'some' new stuff.
you are off topic, this is not about salsa. Meanie.
Totally agree with the flea. I have noticed the low to no energy in the NaB. It's been rerouted somewhere else, no doubt. And he ain't writing blogs for the WildCards site, thank the Old Gods though he does give too many shout outs to the ones who do. Anyway, I have a feeling we will soon be excited. And I am not talking about Texas Hold 'em, voice!
“Don’t fight in the North, or the South. Fight every battle everywhere. Always, in your mind.”