1. Sam's going north without finding out all the stuff that he wanted to know about the Long Night.
After making that speech about how if all the maesters scanned the scrolls, they could find the answers to defeating the Night's King in very short order.
And with a selection of works--and no idea how/why on earth he chose just those ones. But no doubt, one of them will be just the right one. Because . . . reasons.
2. Thus--Sam's no closer to how the Night's King was defeated until he gets back into the books.
3. Only past info we've got? Dragonglass and Ragger.
4. Trailer for season 7 really, really seems like it shows Jon riding away from the wight hunt without a sword in his scabbard.
5. Gendry made a point of noting how fabulous Jon's sword is.
9. This will set up for questions like, "okay, the weapons we thought would work don't! What do we do now?" Right before Sam shows up with scrolls.
10. So--I am now 50% certain that it's 43% likely that the show is setting it up for Jon to need Dawn.
11. And since HBO took the time to make a "Histories and Lore" that made it VERY clear only a Dayne (or distant Dayne) who is worthy can have Dawn. . .. I'm like 25% sure they'll follow their own mythology and make Jon a Dayne.
Whew! With that kind of certainty, I need to play the ponies!
And I'm thinking I need to brace myself for season 7 when a Dayne representative responds to Bran's warged raven and just brings Dawn north. Just because he/she believes in Jon right away via scroll.
Or Jon's TARDIS ship gets him to Starfall and back to the North in one episode.
Is this valid or just your personal thoughts? Is there really "sword of the morning" talk?
I don't think they have ever even mentioned the Sword in the show have they? They just showed a close up of the hilt. In the books the sword is made from a meteor or something, but nothing like that has been mentioned in the show. Jon will not be a Dayne in the show. Viewers wouldn't even know who Arthur Dayne is. It would make no sense because all the hints lead towards Jon being a Targaryian.
BTW, I really appreciate all the use of the spoiler tags!
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Is this valid or just your personal thoughts? Is there really "sword of the morning" talk?
I don't think they have ever even mentioned the Sword in the show have they? They just showed a close up of the hilt. In the books the sword is made from a meteor or something, but nothing like that has been mentioned in the show. Jon will not be a Dayne in the show. Viewers wouldn't even know who Arthur Dayne is. It would make no sense because all the hints lead towards Jon being a Targaryian.
BTW, I really appreciate all the use of the spoiler tags!
Not quite accurate. The Tower of Joy scene was very much focused on Arthur. Bran spoke a lot about him. How he was the best swordsman, that Ned told the story a thousand times, that he wasbwtter than Ned, and then how shocked Bran was seeing Howland Reed stabbing him in the back. And Joffrey spoke about Arthur as well. The title "The sworf of the morning" was called out numerous times in the show. Also by Bloodraven..
The Arthur Mance and Jon said the same phrase. Ramsey called Jon "the best swordsman that ever walked"
And HBO gave a very good History Lore on Arthur, with Jons music playing.
I don't think they have ever even mentioned the Sword in the show have they? They just showed a close up of the hilt. In the books the sword is made from a meteor or something, but nothing like that has been mentioned in the show. Jon will not be a Dayne in the show. Viewers wouldn't even know who Arthur Dayne is. It would make no sense because all the hints lead towards Jon being a Targaryian.
BTW, I really appreciate all the use of the spoiler tags!
Not quite accurate. The Tower of Joy scene was very much focused on Arthur. Bran spoke a lot about him. How he was the best swordsman, that Ned told the story a thousand times, that he wasbwtter than Ned, and then how shocked Bran was seeing Howland Reed stabbing him in the back. And Joffrey spoke about Arthur as well. The title "The sworf of the morning" was called out numerous times in the show. Also by Bloodraven..
The Arthur Mance and Jon said the same phrase. Ramsey called Jon "the best swordsman that ever walked"
And HBO gave a very good History Lore on Arthur, with Jons music playing.
I don't see it happening, but who knows, maybe HBO throws us a curve ball. They have been pretty heavy handed with pointing Jon towards being a Targaryian. HBO still have the Jon Snow Family Tree still posted on their website.
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Not quite accurate. The Tower of Joy scene was very much focused on Arthur. Bran spoke a lot about him. How he was the best swordsman, that Ned told the story a thousand times, that he wasbwtter than Ned, and then how shocked Bran was seeing Howland Reed stabbing him in the back. And Joffrey spoke about Arthur as well. The title "The sworf of the morning" was called out numerous times in the show. Also by Bloodraven..
The Arthur Mance and Jon said the same phrase. Ramsey called Jon "the best swordsman that ever walked"
And HBO gave a very good History Lore on Arthur, with Jons music playing.
I don't see it happening, but who knows, maybe HBO throws us a curve ball. They have been pretty heavy handed with pointing Jon towards being a Targaryian. HBO still have the Jon Snow Family Tree still posted on their website.
Right and I think this is stupid.
Why was Arthur Dayne listed, but not Hightower?
The Times asked the actor (Kit Harington) about the major revelation that came at the end of season 6 — that Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark are his parents.
“Mmmm … Well … It wasn’t revealed, actually,” Harington said. “What we know is that Lyanna Stark is my mother. While it’s heavily implied, we don’t know who my father is.”
I don't see it happening, but who knows, maybe HBO throws us a curve ball. They have been pretty heavy handed with pointing Jon towards being a Targaryian. HBO still have the Jon Snow Family Tree still posted on their website.
Right and I think this is stupid.
Why was Arthur Dayne listed, but not Hightower?
The Times asked the actor (Kit Harington) about the major revelation that came at the end of season 6 — that Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark are his parents.
“Mmmm … Well … It wasn’t revealed, actually,” Harington said. “What we know is that Lyanna Stark is my mother. While it’s heavily implied, we don’t know who my father is.”
This was in July 2017. After the graphic
Maybe in the books Jon will be the son of Arthur Dayne, but most show viewers are not going to know who Arthur Dayne is. I just feel that if D&D want Jon to be the son of Dayne that they would be more prevalent in the story right now.
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PS : I'm actually the brown haired young man with the hammer.
I want MOAR!
“Never forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armour yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you.” ― George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones
Maybe in the books Jon will be the son of Arthur Dayne, but most show viewers are not going to know who Arthur Dayne is. I just feel that if D&D want Jon to be the son of Dayne that they would be more prevalent in the story right now.
Most show watchers don't know who Rhaegar is at all. They've seen Arthur Dayne, and remember him. He was with baby Jon, after all.
Post by Dornish Neck Tie on Aug 16, 2017 15:25:00 GMT
Re: Jon's show parentage
It certainly seems that HBO will go the fan service route and make Rhaegar the daddy. However, and take this with a grain of salt since I am no film director, I thought the Tower of Joy presented a clear visual cue that indicated Arthur as the father. At the very least, it's the exact visual cue I would use in such context: When Ned finds Lyanna, he lays Dawn at the foot of her bed, and we are given an oddly long, lingering shot of Arthur Dayne's "sword" at such an angle that it appears to be pointing directly towards Lyanna's womb. I definitely don't buy the argument that pure show-watchers will somehow be familiar with Rhaegar, yet won't have any idea who Arthur Dayne is. Arthur Dayne has been mentioned far more often in the show, not to mention his being the only one of the two to actually appear on screen.
"No true knight would condone such wanton butchery." "True knights see worse every time they ride to war, wench," said Jaime. "And do worse, yes." Brienne turned the rudder toward the shore. "I'll leave no innocents to be food for crows." "A heartless wench. Crows need to eat as well. Stay to the river and leave the dead alone, woman."
Is this valid or just your personal thoughts? Is there really "sword of the morning" talk?
I'm a bit slow of brain this morning and am not sure I'm following you--do you mean the "Histories and Lore" by HBO? Yes--the one on House Dayne is available via youtube.
If you mean "quoting the Sword of the Morning"--I meant when Jon said "I wish you good fortune in the wars to come."
Or did you mean something else and I'm just missing it?
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
I don't think they have ever even mentioned the Sword in the show have they? They just showed a close up of the hilt. In the books the sword is made from a meteor or something, but nothing like that has been mentioned in the show. Jon will not be a Dayne in the show. Viewers wouldn't even know who Arthur Dayne is. It would make no sense because all the hints lead towards Jon being a Targaryian.
No.
But they gave us NO lead in on the Creation of the Walkers, either.
Or much on the Death of Hodor--jut one hint "Hodor talks!"
I have no idea what they are going to do. Dead honest--I'm clueless.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
Yup. Watched the rest just now. I'm not sure what to think other than I grossly underestimated how much plot armor people have. Apparently, "Death Is the Enemy" of the writers, so they decided that no one and no thing can die.
..and I'm sorry to say that it's the worst episode of the series so far, by far. Yes, worse than that horrible UUU episode. The last of my emotional investment towards the series evaporated in a laughter over the most ridiculous change of fabric I've seen on screen. Wow. The Frozen soundtrack would have fitted better as theme over the suspense this episode mustered.
Yup! Some of the convos were good, but parts were like watching a buddy movie gone horribly wrong and then stumbling into a cat fight in Mean Girls.
No idea if you enjoy snarky reviews--but if you do, enjoy this excerpt.
Any hopes of dodging Game of Thrones comparisons are dashed by the casting of Kit Harington — Thrones' Jon Snow — as Milo, a prodigiously skilled Celtic gladiator with a long-simmering vendetta against Rome. While Game of Thrones mostly effectively employs Harington's knack for brow-furrowed brooding, Pompeii looks to use his full range: that brooding and his well-chiseled torso. ("Didn't you see his muscles?" asks one character excitedly, early in the film. Yes. Yes, we did.)
As the fates and the screenwriters would have it, Milo arrives in Pompeii at the same time that Cassia (Emily Browning), the daughter of the local governor, is returning from a year in the imperial capital. After a standard rom-com meet cute, in which they find starry-eyed love over the corpse of a dead horse on the highway, she goes to her opulent villa to be petulant with her parents while he heads to the dungeons below the Pompeiian coliseum, where he'll forge an unlikely friendship with a fellow gladiator (Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje).
Also arriving at the same time – fortuitous coincidence! — is the Roman Senator Corvis (Kiefer Sutherland), who 17 years earlier slaughtered Milo's entire village and left our hero for dead. It's a good thing this is history, as it would otherwise be pretty tough to believe that the cards would be set up with such unlikely perfection for Milo to find love, friendship, and vengeance all in one crazy Vulcanalia-festival weekend.
All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Oscar Wilde.
Yes, sadly this is legit. Overall, it was actually a cool moment - seeing how easily he brought down a dragon, with no fancy scorpions required - but the whole aiming with his other arm ruined it a little. It made me think of whatever sport it is where you throw things, and took me out of the moment. But only for a second!! If you watch this episode with a bit of good will and a willingness to ignore little mistakes like that (a bow & arrow would have looked so much cooler and also been much more believable), there are parts that are quite good. I went into it determined not to nitpick, and ended the episode thinking "wow, this was amazing!!". Once I started actually thinking about it, yes there were a lot of faults in many places - but it can be a very enjoyable episode if you want it to be.
Despite having read the leaks and therefore seeing it coming, it was still an AWESOME scene that will blow away anyone who is not already aware this will happen.
Jon only temporarily drops Longclaw. He picks it up again before riding off on Benjen's horse. It's not in his scabbard as he is riding b/c he is holding on to it. Earlier in the episode he offers it back to Jorah, but Jorah says he doesn't deserve it and tells Jon to keep it in perpetuity. Something along the lines of "you and your kids after you."
“In Qohor he is the Black Goat, in Yi Ti the Lion of Night, in Westeros the Stranger. All men must bow to him in the end, no matter if they worship the Seven or the Lord of Light, the Moon Mother or the Drowned God or the Great Shepherd. All mankind belongs to him... else somewhere in the world would be a folk who lived forever. Do you know of any folk who live forever?”
