Post by stdaga on Oct 3, 2017 10:01:13 GMT
Oct 3, 2017 6:44:34 GMT voice said:
So yes, I agree very much with what you said, except for one tiny part, in bold belowGRRM wants us to see RLJ, and I agree that much of the narrative is implied, rather than explictly stated. But that does not mean that "all" of it is implied. There is one event in all of this X+Y=J speculation, and RLJ specifically, that GRRM does not imply. It marks a rare moment of plainly written exposition from our otherwise subtle writer:
I think the idea of rape/sex with Lyanna is implied as well. Let me address a few of your comments on this.
Oct 3, 2017 6:44:34 GMT voice said:
And Rhaegar … how many times do you think he raped your sister?This statement from Robert is a comment from an unreliable narrator because unless Robert sat around and watched Rhaegar rape or have sex with Lyanna, he does not know what really happened between the two of them, besides the Harrenhal crowning.
Oct 3, 2017 6:44:34 GMT voice said:
"Robert was betrothed to marry her, but Prince Rhaegar carried her off and raped her," Bran explainedThis is the same idea for Bran. He can't know what really happened, and even if he see's it through the trees at a later time, at the time he makes this statement, he is only regurgitating a story that he heard.
Oct 3, 2017 6:44:34 GMT voice said:
Prince Rhaegar loved his Lady Lyanna, and thousands died for it. Barristan self admits that he did not truly know what Rhaegar was up too, so I think that he is also perpetuating a commonly repeated story.
Oct 3, 2017 6:44:34 GMT voice said:
Rhaegar had chosen Lyanna Stark of Winterfell. Barristan Selmy would have made a different choice.While Barristan had witnessed this event, it seems clearly directed at Rhaegar giving Lyanna the rose crown at Harrenhal.
Oct 3, 2017 6:44:34 GMT voice said:
and with such a wife, Rhaegar might never have looked twice at Lyanna Stark.Kevan does think this, but I think this is another person repeating the tale of the Harrenhal crowning.
As far as I can see, the only time the text ever put's Lyanna and Rhaegar in the same location with several witnesses is at Harrenhal, and the idea that anything of a sexual nature occurred between the two of them is all implied or from unreliable narrators.
Oct 3, 2017 1:30:47 GMT danl said:
Is there a textual reason to associate red doors with brothels.A connection has been speculated between red door's and red light districts, although in this story, I don't think that brothel's have red doors, but in our world, red light's over doors indicate prostitution. There is no proof of this, but it's an interesting idea.
Oct 3, 2017 1:30:47 GMT danl said:
We really don't know whether Viserys had such memories or not. More interesting is that Viserys is not in Dany's memories of that time.This might be me reading implication into the text. How ironic, when I just talked about how much is implied in the story. In my head I feel that Viserys denied remembering about the house with the red door, but all I can find in the text is listed below and which is certainly no proof of Viserys denying the house with the red door. But I will keep looking through Dany's POV's to see if something else jumps out at me.
Dany had only meant their rooms in Illyrio's estate, no true home surely, though all they had, but her brother did not want to hear that. There was no home there for him. Even the big house with the red door had not been home for him. AGOT-Daenerys I
Does anyone know the ingredients of moon tea? Does it include lemon?
So, in attempting to answer my own question about moon tea ingredients I found Lysa talking about her pregnancy with Littlefinger's child and she states "I would have given you a son too, but they murdered him with moon tea, with tansy and mint and wormwood, a spoon of honey and a drop of pennyroyal." ASOS-Sansa VII So I guess there is no lemon in moon tea.