Wasn't this only after Summer saved Bran from the Cat's paw?
Yes, this is true. It was only apparent to Cat after Summer saved Bran. Interestingly, it was after Ned heard this story from Cat about this very incident, that he drew the same conclusions about the direwolves. Was it a wake up call to both Cat and Ned, or was it meant to lead them both astray and we will find out the direwolf pups have nothing to do with the "old gods"! I doubt it, but maybe?
She did note that the wolves were a gift from the Old Gods, but I'm not sure she got more at ease with them. Recognizing them is a step from being at ease under their watchfull eyes.
I think she is pretty at ease. She let's Summer lick blood off her hands and that is a baptism of a sort, if you ask me. And Grey Wind is the first to greet her when she arrives at Moat Cailin. When Robb stops paying attention to Grey Wind, Catelyn still is aware that the direwolf is trying to relay something important, and that Robb is making a mistake to push the wolf away.
It's also only after the war breaks out that she starts to think of herself as a Stark
Maybe. But after Cat wakes up from her 4 day snooze after the Catspaw incident, she is certainly embarrassed at her behavior in allowing herself to fall into such a deep depression that she ignored all but Bran. That is what seems to harden her resolve. "She would show these northerners how strong a Tully of Riverrun could be." It strengthens her but she certainly still doesn't connect herself as being a northern person. Maybe those things never change?
As a dragon ages, its scales thicken and grow harder, affording even more protection, even as its flames burn hotter and fiercer (where the flames of a hatchling can set straw aflame, the flames of Balerion or Vhagar in the fullness of their power could and did melt steel and stone). The Princess and the Queen
Thanks! I haven't read any of the in-world short-stories that exist. How old was Balerion supposed to be?
I'll probably take a closer look later, not sure how much more I can ponder at once.
It's to overwhelming to look at too many things. The story is too big and too complicated. And there seems to be plenty of time just to come back to things when time allows. I circle back often, and still haven't looked into many of the things that have struck me as odd!
I've recently started to ponder if he did take her after all. Mulling over the return of winter after the tourney which seems like something unusual as we don't hear of that at any other times, and that Aerys burns wildfire at KL, I've wondered if that could be the reason for him to do so. If so, not sure if a kidnap was intended but just happened for some reason, but it probably wasn't for rape nor love. It's still on the simmering stage!
I hear you. I swear I have spun myself around in circles at times trying to think of all the options!
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
I think she is pretty at ease. She let's Summer lick blood off her hands and that is a baptism of a sort, if you ask me. And Grey Wind is the first to greet her when she arrives at Moat Cailin. When Robb stops paying attention to Grey Wind, Catelyn still is aware that the direwolf is trying to relay something important, and that Robb is making a mistake to push the wolf away.
Oh, sorry! I was thinking of the old gods, but fell in the "they" trap. I agree about the wolves! Maybe she could've been on the way to get more comfortable with the old gods, but I'm not sure if she was as far along as at ease when she left the north.
Maybe. But after Cat wakes up from her 4 day snooze after the Catspaw incident, she is certainly embarrassed at her behavior in allowing herself to fall into such a deep depression that she ignored all but Bran. That is what seems to harden her resolve. "She would show these northerners how strong a Tully of Riverrun could be." It strengthens her but she certainly still doesn't connect herself as being a northern person. Maybe those things never change?
Exactly! She wants to show them how strong a Tully of Riverrun can be. Then abandons her youngest kids, one of whom has just been cripled... I just don't have it in me to see that as anything in the vicinity of positive. She just goes from one extreme to another imo, and I doubt she'd ever stay long in the north again if she had lived.
Thanks! I haven't read any of the in-world short-stories that exist. How old was Balerion supposed to be?
The ones from the Dance is really just fleshed out from the World book, but still good when read by Iain. I've just heard the audio, not read the books on those. They're on YT. Balerion's exact age is unknown, he was hatched in Valyria and died in 92 AC. Estimated to be around 200 years old. Vhaghar was a bit smaller and died at 181 years of age.
It's to overwhelming to look at too many things. The story is too big and too complicated. And there seems to be plenty of time just to come back to things when time allows. I circle back often, and still haven't looked into many of the things that have struck me as odd!
It is! I've only got >100 pages left of Feast, and I'm looking forward to that! One book less to juggle. It's mostly a self-created problem as there is so many interesting stuff to look at, and I have a hard time choosing.
Maybe she could've been on the way to get more comfortable with the old gods, but I'm not sure if she was as far along as at ease when she left the north.
Oh, I don't know if she was ever comfortable about the old gods, but I think she grew more accepting of the power they might play. Power like that is scary though! I don't know how easy it is to feel comfortable knowing that you are being watched and manipulated for your entire life. From her first pov, where she is very uncomfortable in front of the heart tree, she does seem to grow a little less frightened. But maybe that is because she is out of the north, away from the weirwoods (for the most part) and she doesn't have a reason to feel so uncomfortable?
Balerion's exact age is unknown, he was hatched in Valyria and died in 92 AC. Estimated to be around 200 years old. Vhaghar was a bit smaller and died at 181 years of age.
Thanks! I actually thought Balerion could be older than that, but really, 200 years is a damn long time!
Oh, I don't know if she was ever comfortable about the old gods, but I think she grew more accepting of the power they might play. Power like that is scary though! I don't know how easy it is to feel comfortable knowing that you are being watched and manipulated for your entire life. From her first pov, where she is very uncomfortable in front of the heart tree, she does seem to grow a little less frightened. But maybe that is because she is out of the north, away from the weirwoods (for the most part) and she doesn't have a reason to feel so uncomfortable?
Well, I get that the faces could unnerve her! Also that she feels so out of place in the north is a factor in this. I think you're right that she's more comfortable because of the distance she has later, and why she suddenly identifies as a Stark (more). If she'd married into a southron family I think it would be different, but I think she'd always identify as a Tully first.
Thanks! I actually thought Balerion could be older than that, but really, 200 years is a damn long time!
We don't know how old he was. Older than the Doom, as he was an exile dragon, but nothing more exact on how old he was then or anything. 200 is a respectable age, but who knows how old a dragon could get in the optimal conditions?
If she'd married into a southron family I think it would be different, but I think she'd always identify as a Tully first.
This is no different than Cersei associating with her Lannister name more than her Baratheon name. I would suspect this is the case for most women who marry into different houses. Even Dany, who embraces the life of Drogo and the Dothraki, still relates to her Targaryen side. That is in the blood, part of who a person is raised to be, and I can't blame Cat for still feeling that way, and even clinging to it a bit. I am sure she felt very lost in the north, in this house of Winter is Coming, and maybe even clung to her familiar ways, as a sort of comfort.
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
This is no different than Cersei associating with her Lannister name more than her Baratheon name. I would suspect this is the case for most women who marry into different houses. Even Dany, who embraces the life of Drogo and the Dothraki, still relates to her Targaryen side. That is in the blood, part of who a person is raised to be, and I can't blame Cat for still feeling that way, and even clinging to it a bit. I am sure she felt very lost in the north, in this house of Winter is Coming, and maybe even clung to her familiar ways, as a sort of comfort.
Sorry, I missed this!
No, it's not different that Cersei, who only embraces the claim to the throne the Baratheon name gives her children. In other ways she's antagonistic to her husband's family. I see the same in Catelyn, but maybe to a lesser degree. Cersei is, as we all know, a bit extreme. Most other women we see seem to take on their new house in a different way. Not in the sense that they reject their house of birth, that would make the alliance part of marriage a bit moot. But they are not antagonistic in the way Catelyn and Cersei seems to be. And I would partly include Lysa here as well, but she's cut all ties to her father's house as well. She's kinda houseless in a sense. As Dany shows, it's possible to embrace a husband's way of life even when it's very different from what one knows. The difference is the willingness to do so. For some reason Catelyn doesn't want to.
As Dany shows, it's possible to embrace a husband's way of life even when it's very different from what one knows. The difference is the willingness to do so. For some reason Catelyn doesn't want to.
Well, we haven't got to this part of Dany's reread yet, but she was so miserable with her Dothraki life that she was contemplating death. It was her inner dragon that saved her, made her realize she was strong enough to embrace the Dothraki and Drogo. Dany was also much more lost and lonely than Cersei or Cat could ever be, I would think. Even if Dany is a Targaryen, Viserys is the only family she knew, and he isn't much! She had nothing to try to cling to, but she did thrive in her environment eventually. But the outcome is what matters and in this new environment she thrived to the point that she killed Drogo! She convinced him to fight for the iron throne, and he was wounded while trying to gain the Dothraki what they needed for Dany's war, and then she sentenced him to death by insisting he allow Mirri Maz Duur to treat him. Honestly, this makes her sound just like Catelyn and Cersei!
Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.
Well, we haven't got to this part of Dany's reread yet, but she was so miserable with her Dothraki life that she was contemplating death. It was her inner dragon that saved her, made her realize she was strong enough to embrace the Dothraki and Drogo. Dany was also much more lost and lonely than Cersei or Cat could ever be, I would think. Even if Dany is a Targaryen, Viserys is the only family she knew, and he isn't much! She had nothing to try to cling to, but she did thrive in her environment eventually. But the outcome is what matters and in this new environment she thrived to the point that she killed Drogo! She convinced him to fight for the iron throne, and he was wounded while trying to gain the Dothraki what they needed for Dany's war, and then she sentenced him to death by insisting he allow Mirri Maz Duur to treat him. Honestly, this makes her sound just like Catelyn and Cersei!
Haha! Well, when you put it that way...
I still hold to my view that Catelyn and Cersei is very antagonistic to their "new" families though, with Dany not being the best counterpoint.