Post by stdaga on Apr 7, 2020 20:34:00 GMT
Quranic and Biblical reasons for "Cain's" murder is the same, his offer not being accepted by God, there are no daughters or other brothers in Quran like Seth, hell even the names Eve, Cain and Abel are never mentioned, Quran only talks about Adam, Iblees, partner (zavc) and two sons of Adam, plus Quranic first human Adam has to be a female since Iblees, male coded, claims superiority and Quran discusses how patriachy is a human created system that caused females to be anonymous.
Interesting. I was under the thought that the Quran listed Cain and Abel as Qabil/Qabl and Habil/Habeel, leading to the connection to qyn(smith or farmer) and ibil (herdsman), more of an allegory than actual names. One of my brothers is named Seth, and so he associates it with either the third son of Adam and Eve or with Set/Seth of Egyptian mythos. I didn't know that about females being seen as anonymous. I have read the names Luluwa or Aclima for the eldest daughter of Adam, and Awan for another daughter. Perhaps this comes from Jewish teaching, although I was under the impression it was Islamic. I am glad to get this all straightened out in my head. Thanks.
Turkic myths also includes male wolf mating with female, Asena myth is about she wolf mating with male, so maybe JonArya is still possible? Rome's founding seems to be connected to end of Hittites, they also had two brothers fighting over leadership and one killed the other.
One of the myths I read reported that Asena saved a human child and raised him, but then also mated with him and had ten children, half wolf, half human. Asena and these children then found a safe place to live and those ten children eventually mated with humans, creating a kingdom. I am sure there is more to it than that, but that's at least the basic idea that I have.
Yes, I see Jon/Arya as a possibility, and if Starkcest doesn't happen in this generation, then I think it was in the previous generation. It is interesting that Romulus and Remus myth does have the idea of one brother killing another brother, much like with Cain and Abel. A lot of world myths seem quite similar, at least in some basic elements. We have the idea of brother fratricide in our story. A sideways version of it with Stannis and Renly, and I wonder if we won't find out that perhaps one of our Stark brothers was responsible for the death of another brother. My guess is that Ned in some way caused Brandon's death, although I doubt it was malicious, I still think it could have happened. We also have the idea of the Grey King who had an elder brother. I speculate that the Grey King killed his brother, who was Garth Greenhand, and then the Grey King established his 1000 year kingdom. I am sure I am missing more fratricide in the story. I guess we also have hints that Clegane brothers would like to kill each other. It doesn't surprise me at all that GRRM would play with his element in his story since it plays into so many human myths and religious ideas.